Catholic Health to Obama, HHS: No contraception compromise

[_Abyssinia]

Originally Posted by PaulinVA

I heard a JW explain that they refuse transfusions, but do not think they can force that view on others, so they pay for it in insurance plans.

That Jehovah's Witness might have that opinion, but there must be some who refuse to pay for it in insurance.

[PaulinVA]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

That Jehovah's Witness might have that opinion, but there must be some who refuse to pay for it in insurance.

Why? To them it is something they have to do.

It's really interesting that it is being used in the birth control mandate but it isn't a good analogy.

[_Abyssinia]

Originally Posted by PaulinVA

Why? To them it is something they have to do.

It's really interesting that it is being used in the birth control mandate but it isn't a good analogy.

If that is Jehovah's witnesses view, then it is different than the Catholic view in relation to paying for conscience opposing services. Cardinal George said co-operating with the HHS mandate was 'materially and formally' sin because you would be 'knowingly and deliberately doing this, making this available to people.'

For Catholics it is not we are over here and do not use those services but if you want to use those services over there that is up to you and we will pay for it.

You are correct it is not a good analogy because contraception and abortion is not on a par with blood transfusions.

[Ridgerunner]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

If that is Jehovah's witnesses view, then it is different than the Catholic view in relation to paying for conscience opposing services. Cardinal George said co-operating with the HHS mandate was 'materially and formally' sin because you would be 'knowingly and deliberately doing this, making this available to people.'

For Catholics it is not we are over here and do not use those services but if you want to use those services over there that is up to you and we will pay for it.

You are correct it is not a good analogy because contraception and abortion is not on a par with blood transfusions.

It's always a little hazardous to attempt to define what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. From my JW friend, at least, I have been told the following:
1. They have no use whatever for government, believing it to be intrinsically evil.
2. Nevertheless, with a few exceptions (participating in war, for example) they hold that one has to go along with the government on most things, not because the government is less evil than believed, but because certain things, like paying taxes, are required, are worldly stuff anyway, and because the consequences of not doing it outweigh the seriousness of doing it.

[Yerusalyim]

Personally, I am embarrassed that Sister Keehan is Catholic. She doesn't represent my faith at all...nor the core teachings of the Church. She has gotten caught up in the "social justice" nonsense and is perhaps in love with her salary and benefits that total almost $1 million a year,

Jim,

You stated:

The coverage for contraception and such, would be paid for by the insurance company.

First question, how does the government have the right to mandate that a private company give ANY product for free? Second, use logical business sense, the cost would not be paid for the insurance company, it would be passed to the employer paying for the policy.

[JimR-OCDS]

Yerusalyim;

First question, how does the government have the right to mandate that a private company give ANY product for free? Second, use logical business sense, the cost would not be paid for the insurance company, it would be passed to the employer paying for the policy.

The government is the one granting the license for insurance companies to do business in this field of insurance coverage, and it can and already does, place regulations that the company must follow.

If the company doesn't want to follow those regs, then they don't get a license to participate in AHC.

The government forces car insurance companies to cover certain items. How the company pays for them is up to them, but in many states like here in MA, auto insurance rates are regulated.

The fact is, without regulation of these companies, they would and have screwed people, who have paid all of their premiums.

In various states, insurance companies could drop a customer, as soon as they required costly medical care, even though the policy stated that the treatment was covered, and the customer was up to date with premiums.

Most states have made that illegal today, but without the regulation, you can bet they'd be still doing it.


Jim