Easterners, what do YOU believe about the Papacy?

[Wisely]

Originally Posted by GaryTaylor

Whos the parent church? Key phrase being Communion with Rome. Thus the parent Church.

The fact that Orthodox Catholics choose to be in Communion with Rome indicates their choice of where they desire to be, as does the above statement. Its not a matter of choice in preference of Latin or Byzantine. One could do this anyway. The issue becomes the communion thus unity of the church.

Rome is no mother church nor THE Mother Church which is Jerusalem. Rome could have been a mother church but that never happened thanks to Gregorian Reformations IIRC. I never knew why Rome didn't let the Gallican Church, the Anglosaxon Church, the Spanish Church or other patriarchates exist unlike the other Churches like Antioch or Constantinople which had some daughter churches.

[Ubenedictus]

Originally Posted by Trebor135

You don't recognize as disastrous how the doctrines of papal supremacy and infallibility have by their dogmatization been turned into a pair of enormous obstacles in the way of Catholic-Orthodox reunion--for no good reason?

personally i think it depends on the 'lens' you are using, peter was the head of the early church and that headship should continue the latins would say, the greek wont agree or may explain the quotes in a different way. Your 'for no good reason' phrase doesnt even cut it.
Ubenedictus

[Ubenedictus]

Originally Posted by Dollinger

It is false.

very stong words.
Ubenedictus

[ByzCathCantor]

Originally Posted by Ubenedictus

Your 'for no good reason' phrase doesnt even cut it.
Ubenedictus

As that may infer that Pastor Aeternus was promulgated simply to spite the Orthodox, you have a point.

That said, we as Catholics should all seek to understand exactly why Pastor Aeternus was written.

Here's one analysis, for consideration:

Pastor Aeternus in Perspective: Vincent Gasser and John Henry Newman on Papal Infallibility

[jam070406]

Originally Posted by Peter J

On an unrelated note, is there an award given out for stating the obvious?

[Bballer32]

Originally Posted by Wisely

Rome is no mother church nor THE Mother Church which is Jerusalem. Rome could have been a mother church but that never happened thanks to Gregorian Reformations IIRC.

Hey wisely, do you agree with the teachings of the Church Fathers?

Originally Posted by Wisely

I never knew why Rome didn't let the Gallican Church, the Anglosaxon Church, the Spanish Church or other patriarchates exist unlike the other Churches like Antioch or Constantinople which had some daughter churches.

Umm apparently you have your history wrong here.

[jam070406]

Originally Posted by ByzCathCantor

As that may infer that Pastor Aeternus was promulgated simply to spite the Orthodox, you have a point.

That said, we as Catholics should all seek to understand exactly why Pastor Aeternus was written.

Here's one analysis, for consideration:

Pastor Aeternus in Perspective: Vincent Gasser and John Henry Newman on Papal Infallibility

I am unable to read through the article. Can you sum it up in a short cliff notes version?

[GaryTaylor]

Originally Posted by Wisely

THE Mother Church

Why you have another version of history you would like to share? The only question is to the "degree" the postion of Honor holds authority in Rome. Pretty well gone over in the Ecumenical Councils and early church.

First among equals is immediately acceptable by the EO. Need more be said?

[GaryTaylor]

Originally Posted by jam070406

I am unable to read through the article. Can you sum it up in a short cliff notes version?

You read the original? Pretty triumphant piece of work to say the least.

[Wisely]

Originally Posted by Bballer32

Hey wisely, do you agree with the teachings of the Church Fathers?



Umm apparently you have your history wrong here.

1) I agrre with the Church Fathers, yes.

2) I may be wrong, but tell me, which autonomous/autocephalous churches are daughters of Rome?

For example:

-Jerusalem > Rome, Antioch, Alexandria

-Antioch > Seleucia-Ctisphon, Cyprus(?)

-Constantinople > Bulgaria, Rusia, Greece

-Non-Chalcedonian Alexandria > Ethiopia

[Wisely]

Originally Posted by GaryTaylor

Why you have another version of history you would like to share? The only question is to the "degree" the postion of Honor holds authority in Rome. Pretty well gone over in the Ecumenical Councils and early church.

First among equals is immediately acceptable by the EO. Need more be said?

It seems we have different definitions of "Mother Church"
I apologize for the confusion.

[GaryTaylor]

Originally Posted by Wisely

It seems we have different definitions of "Mother Church"
I apologize for the confusion.

Ah I see where you coming from , my apology also.

[Peter J]

Originally Posted by GaryTaylor

First among equals is immediately acceptable by the EO.

True, that's what they call the Patriarch of Constantinople.

[TrueLight]

Originally Posted by Peter J

Did I embarrass you Peter?

What am I not getting here?

If an Orthodox because an Eastern Catholic, he is becoming a part of the "One, Holy Catholic Church".

Otherwise he might as well stay in "Holy Orthodoxy".

[TrueLight]

Originally Posted by Peter J

On an unrelated note, is there an award given out for stating the obvious?

LOL, I'm not so sure it's obvious.