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Old Jun 20, '12, 8:28 pm
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Default Re: Why Wasn't the Feast of the Sacred Heart Transferred to a Sunday

For example (Latin Church, USA):

There are two types of action regarding Holy Days of Obligation: transfer and abrogation (not even having it). I believe the way it works is that a transfer overrides the Sunday. and that when a Holy Day of Obligation (other than Sunday itself) falls on a Sunday it overrides the Sunday.

Canon 1246.2:

"The Solemnity of the Epiphany shall be transferred to the first Sunday following January 1; the Solemnity of Corpus Christi shall be observed on the second Sunday following Pentecost." 1984

"Whenever January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, or August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption, or November 1, the solemnity of All Saints, falls on a Saturday or on a Monday, the precept to attend Mass is abrogated." 1993

http://old.usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/gen...ligation.shtml

http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-tea...canon-1246.cfm
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abrogation (not even having it)
Abrogation in this case refers to the obligation to attend Mass, not the feast.
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Abrogation in this case refers to the obligation to attend Mass, not the feast.
And for the clergy, the obligation to celebrate it.
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Am I the only person here that can see the irony in this?
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Hesychios, sure, but which one?

Name your irony.

Merriam-Webster irony:

1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

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a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning
b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony
c : an ironic expression or utterance

3 a
(1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result
(2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity

3 b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
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Hesychios, sure, but which one?

Name your irony.

Merriam-Webster irony:

1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

2
a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning
b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony
c : an ironic expression or utterance

3 a
(1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result
(2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity

3 b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony

I thought irony was the way well water tastes.
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I was shocked to discover that modern-day Catholics transfer the Epiphany to a Sunday. The whole point of the feast is that it's January 6, 12 days after Christmas.

Granted, my own church has an "Epiphany Sunday" instead of a service on the actual date. But that's because (except for Christmas, of course) we basically never have weekday services. You Catholics don't have that excuse.
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I was shocked to discover that modern-day Catholics transfer the Epiphany to a Sunday. The whole point of the feast is that it's January 6, 12 days after Christmas.

Granted, my own church has an "Epiphany Sunday" instead of a service on the actual date. But that's because (except for Christmas, of course) we basically never have weekday services. You Catholics don't have that excuse.
This is a bit off topic for this thread, but it seems to have morphed in to the topic of moving feasts. Perhaps a new thread would be better.

That said. The feast of the Epiphany has not been a day of obligation in the US Church. So moving it to Sunday allowed a more widespread observation of the important points of the Epiphany. I would say the major points of the feast are
  1. the incarnation is for all people, not just the house of israel
  2. The Lord was persued from his birth by those in authority who would oppose his message
  3. the comming of the saviour is anticipated by nature (the stars in this case)

The 12 days after Christmas, is a point, but more of a numerallogical nature: 12 represents the fullness of God: 12 tribes, 12 apostles, etc.
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The 12 days after Christmas, is a point, but more of a numerallogical nature: 12 represents the fullness of God: 12 tribes, 12 apostles, etc.
Twelve choirs of angels, twelve fruits of the Holy Ghost, twelve months, etc.
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This is a bit off topic for this thread, but it seems to have morphed in to the topic of moving feasts. Perhaps a new thread would be better.

That said. The feast of the Epiphany has not been a day of obligation in the US Church. So moving it to Sunday allowed a more widespread observation of the important points of the Epiphany. I would say the major points of the feast are
  1. the incarnation is for all people, not just the house of israel
  2. The Lord was persued from his birth by those in authority who would oppose his message
  3. the comming of the saviour is anticipated by nature (the stars in this case)

The 12 days after Christmas, is a point, but more of a numerallogical nature: 12 represents the fullness of God: 12 tribes, 12 apostles, etc.
But also remember that the Nativity once was celebrated on January 6, in fact four celebrations have been on that date: Nativity, Magi visititation, Baptism, and Cana.

Nativity was moved.
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