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Jun 20, '12, 6:12 pm
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CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47897644.../#.T-JzZLXIYuh
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Joining a move toward nonsectarian prayer, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department has asked its chaplains to stop including Jesus in their invocations at official department ceremonies.
The change, which applies to such events as police graduations, promotions and memorials, took place about a month ago, said Maj. John Diggs, who heads the department’s volunteer chaplain program. The goal: greater sensitivity to all religions practiced by the more than 2,000 police employees.
“This is not in any way an effort to demean anybody’s Christian beliefs,” Diggs said. “It’s to show respect for all the religious practices in our organization. CMPD is not anybody’s church.”
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Secularism run amok in NC!
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Jun 20, '12, 6:53 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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“This is not in any way an effort to demean anybody’s Christian beliefs,” Diggs said.
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Rubbish
That is exactly what it is an effort to do.
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Jun 20, '12, 7:11 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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But I'm sure Allah is still A-OK, what a crock! Christianity is under attack. Plain and Simple.
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Jun 20, '12, 10:07 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department has asked its chaplains to stop including Jesus in their invocations at official department ceremonies.
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That's like saying we should stop referencing the United States of America when we say the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Jun 20, '12, 10:12 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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But I'm sure Allah is still A-OK, what a crock! Christianity is under attack. Plain and Simple.
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They could get an Arab Catholic in if using Allah as a term was ok..
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Jun 20, '12, 10:41 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
I just posted a similar article. That said, this is just downright disgusting. Chaplains in the Army or any other military branch have every right to use the name of Jesus during their prayers if they want to do and it doesn't matter if the prayers are public or private. It is so sad that the same people who protect our freedom are now having their own freedom attacked.
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Jun 20, '12, 10:42 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
Satan is definitely roaming through the earth seeking who he can devour. Unfortunately he seems to be working overtime on the United States lately.
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Jun 21, '12, 12:04 am
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
God forbid that we actually mention that God does actually forbid.
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Jun 21, '12, 3:27 am
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
Military chaplains always "heavenly Father" when they lead public ceremony.
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Jun 21, '12, 5:23 am
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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Originally Posted by Holly3278
I just posted a similar article. That said, this is just downright disgusting. Chaplains in the Army or any other military branch have every right to use the name of Jesus during their prayers if they want to do and it doesn't matter if the prayers are public or private. It is so sad that the same people who protect our freedom are now having their own freedom attacked.
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They do not have that right if the prayers are official. If soldiers or police are ordered to attend some official function, then any prayers offered at that function are required to be non-denominational. Would you be happy if Catholic soldiers were ordered to attend an event where prayers were offered to Krishna?
Have a read of Why I'm against pre-game prayers and think about it.
There are non-Catholic and non-Christian chaplains in the Army. Do you really want Catholic soldiers to be forced to attend non-Catholic or non-Christian prayers?
Events where attendance is voluntary are different, but where attendance is compulsory, then specific doctrines and religious beliefs should be avoided.
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Jun 21, '12, 5:36 am
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
I think we should ban all pork meats from all US supermarkets out of respect for Muslims and Jews who can't eat them for religious reasons. Respect is great, we need to apply it everywhere for the sake of consistency.
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Jun 21, '12, 7:04 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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I think we should ban all pork meats from all US supermarkets out of respect for Muslims and Jews who can't eat them for religious reasons. Respect is great, we need to apply it everywhere for the sake of consistency.
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I was agreeing with your post at first RobertAnthony, but then I decided that you were being too intolerant because you implied that poultry and fish would still be acceptable items of sale. You obviously were not being considerate of the PETA members who have to walk past the cold-cut station on their way to the tofu aisle when you wrote this. I would imagine it's very offensive for them to have to look at sliced turkey.
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Jun 21, '12, 7:11 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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Would you be happy if Catholic soldiers were ordered to attend an event where prayers were offered to Krishna?
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I probably wouldn't be happy, but then again that's probably because I'm American and my country was created on Christian principles. Even if I no longer believed, I would still respect the tradition.
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Jun 21, '12, 10:14 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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I was agreeing with your post at first RobertAnthony, but then I decided that you were being too intolerant because you implied that poultry and fish would still be acceptable items of sale. You obviously were not being considerate of the PETA members who have to walk past the cold-cut station on their way to the tofu aisle when you wrote this. I would imagine it's very offensive for them to have to look at sliced turkey.
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 How many soybeans had their lives cut short to make that tofu?
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Jun 21, '12, 10:26 pm
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Re: CMPD chaplains told not to use ‘Jesus’ in official prayers
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 How many soybeans had their lives cut short to make that tofu? 
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The numbers are too horrific to contemplate!
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