Southern Baptists: "Sinner's Prayer not a magical incantation"

ltwin · #1 Jun 21, '12, 10:11 pm

The Southern Baptist Convention met in New Orleans from 19-20 of June for its 155th meeting. Historically, the messengers (congregational delegates) elected Fred Luter as the Convention's first African-American president. Other business considered included,

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A resolution on the sinner's prayer said the prayer is "not an incantation that results in salvation merely by its recitation and should never be manipulatively employed or utilized apart from a clear articulation of the Gospel." It further said that messengers "promote any and all biblical means of urging sinners to call on the name of the Lord in a prayer of repentance and faith."

I think the passage of such a resolution is interesting considering the many times this issue has been brought up in various forum topics.

ltwin · #2 Jun 21, '12, 10:36 pm

The full resolution is available here.

mikelionheart · #3 Jun 22, '12, 1:57 am

Glad to see that Southern Baptists edging tentatively towards Christianity.

Georgia · #4 Jun 22, '12, 2:06 am

I have never seen nor have I ever heard of anyone claiming the Sinner's Prayer worked apart from having faith. Did someone accuse others of using that prayer as a kind of incantation? If so, how widely did the story spread? If it spread widely, did many people find it credible?

Porknpie · #5 Jun 22, '12, 3:34 am

Its good to see the Baptists stressing the importance of prayer and repentance. It sounds so very Catholic

. although their prayer lacks the Mass and repentance to a Priest.

JustaServant · #6 Jun 22, '12, 3:47 am

As I have explained before the SBC is not a hierarchical denomination, it is democractic. The best the big wigs in the SBC can do is make suggestions, each church is autonomous. They can make a resolution saying the moon is made of cheese, that's not going to affect the individual church if they don't care to recognize it.
Having said that, its nice to see at least some in the SBC are rejecting this fundamentalist heresy.

Ben F · #7 Jun 22, '12, 4:20 am

No prayer is a magic encantation. You can´t use God. You can only be close to Him or far from Him. The Our Father covers everything a person could possibly need or want. So simple and yet so complete. God bless

**JRKH** · #8 Jun 22, '12, 4:45 am

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Originally Posted by Ben F

No prayer is a magic encantation. You can´t use God. You can only be close to Him or far from Him. The Our Father covers everything a person could possibly need or want. So simple and yet so complete. God bless

Peace
James

**JRKH** · #9 Jun 22, '12, 4:55 am

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Originally Posted by ltwin

The Southern Baptist Convention met in New Orleans from 19-20 of June for its 155th meeting. Historically, the messengers (congregational delegates) elected Fred Luter as the Convention's first African-American president. Other business considered included,

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A resolution on the sinner's prayer said the prayer is "not an incantation that results in salvation merely by its recitation and should never be manipulatively employed or utilized apart from a clear articulation of the Gospel." It further said that messengers "promote any and all biblical means of urging sinners to call on the name of the Lord in a prayer of repentance and faith."

I think the passage of such a resolution is interesting considering the many times this issue has been brought up in various forum topics.

Thanks for posting this. I hope it "catches on" since, as mentioned by JustaServant above, it appears that the resolutions of the convention do not carry the force of "authoritative Church teaching" (like Catholic Church councils do).

I haven't been involved in a lot of "sinners prayer" threads but I suspect that when it is brought up in any sort of "magic incantation" sense, it probably has to do with OSAS type issues.

Peace
James

GaryTaylor · #10 Jun 22, '12, 5:02 am

Prayer is conversation with the Lord, which when constantly adhered to leads first to friendship with the Lord, then to Love.

The idea that any self prayer can invoke our will through the Lord in simply incorrect. We communicate with the Lord constantly so we may gain a two way conversation to further develope the conscious to the Lords will.

Paul stated it in Romans 7-8 and elsewhere, Luke etc. This constant conversation enables the Lord to live through us by us constantly making ourselves available to be in essense a mold for the Lord. Or as the Apostle's state, it is no longer I who lives, but the Lord who lives through me.

From here we understand our nature clearer thus the state we are undeed subjected to. "Rather sin, in order to be seen clearly as sin, used what was good to bring about my death. We know that the law is spiritual, whereas I am weak flesh sold into the slavery of sin." So with the mind serve the law of God, for the flesh is inclined to the law of sin.

Matthew P Muehl · #11 Jun 22, '12, 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by JustaServant

As I have explained before the SBC is not a hierarchical denomination, it is democractic. The best the big wigs in the SBC can do is make suggestions, each church is autonomous. They can make a resolution saying the moon is made of cheese, that's not going to affect the individual church if they don't care to recognize it.
Having said that, its nice to see at least some in the SBC are rejecting this fundamentalist heresy.

Hello JS, Is the sinners prayer said after one runs down the isle for an alter call and stands
or kneels in front of a small table?

Matthew

JustaServant · #12 Jun 22, '12, 5:35 am

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Originally Posted by Matthew P Muehl

Hello JS, Is the sinners prayer said after one runs down the isle for an alter call and stands
or kneels in front of a small table?

Matthew

Among fundamentalist Baptists in every Baptist denomination the prayer is used in conjuction with the "invitation" at the end of the sermon. The "invitation" actually dates back to a revival preacher in the 19th century named Charles Finney. Billy Graham popularized it. The idea is to get the sinner convicted to "accept Jesus" and become and instant Christian. Some churches are high pressure in the practice, while others are more subtle.
The prayer itself is simplistic and varies from camp to camp. That's why its hard to pin down a specific prayer. The common denominator however is always "instant" "zap" salvation. It's rejected by Reformed Christians and in fact, some of the best critiques of it come from that side of the Tiber.

CopticChristian · #13 Jun 22, '12, 7:43 am

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Originally Posted by ltwin

The full resolution is available here.

My computer says that this link is trying to download dangerous files.

CopticChristian · #14 Jun 22, '12, 7:46 am

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Originally Posted by JustaServant

Among fundamentalist Baptists in every Baptist denomination the prayer is used in conjuction with the "invitation" at the end of the sermon. The "invitation" actually dates back to a revival preacher in the 19th century named Charles Finney. Billy Graham popularized it. The idea is to get the sinner convicted to "accept Jesus" and become and instant Christian. Some churches are high pressure in the practice, while others are more subtle.
The prayer itself is simplistic and varies from camp to camp. That's why its hard to pin down a specific prayer. The common denominator however is always "instant" "zap" salvation. It's rejected by Reformed Christians and in fact, some of the best critiques of it come from that side of the Tiber.

Just,

Greg Laurie says that the reason people do not come forward to accept Jesus is because they do not want to be convicted of their sins....another reason is because perhaps in my case...I don't want to be Protestant. When you have something that has no alternatives other than what Greg proposes you gotta wonder if anyone that does this thinks it through..

Matthew P Muehl · #15 Jun 22, '12, 8:18 am

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Originally Posted by JustaServant

Among fundamentalist Baptists in every Baptist denomination the prayer is used in conjuction with the "invitation" at the end of the sermon. The "invitation" actually dates back to a revival preacher in the 19th century named Charles Finney. Billy Graham popularized it. The idea is to get the sinner convicted to "accept Jesus" and become and instant Christian. Some churches are high pressure in the practice, while others are more subtle.
The prayer itself is simplistic and varies from camp to camp. That's why its hard to pin down a specific prayer. The common denominator however is always "instant" "zap" salvation. It's rejected by Reformed Christians and in fact, some of the best critiques of it come from that side of the Tiber.

In other words it has ties to O.S.A.S.

Thanks for the info...

Matthew