Homosexuality counter argument

NP151 · #1 Jun 29, '12, 6:25 am

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular the bible, catechism and anything related to the two are off limits. I could really use some help

**thistle** · #2 Jun 29, '12, 6:57 am

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Originally Posted by NP151

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular the bible, catechism and anything related to the two are off limits. I could really use some help

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

johnnyjones · #3 Jun 29, '12, 7:15 am

If humans started out gay and stayed that way, there would be no procreation.Homosexuality is flawed if it stands alone for the procreation of families and the human race. Essentially, gay people need heterosexual people for there existence. If only gay people where placed on an island, and held to their "gayness" that they continually fight for, they would be extinct over a short period of time.

Dakota Roberts · #4 Jun 29, '12, 7:31 am

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Originally Posted by thistle

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

Don't use NARTH, they have no credibility

ConstantineTG · #5 Jun 29, '12, 7:59 am

How about just shaking the dust off your sandals and walk away?

**Dale_M** · #6 Jun 29, '12, 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by NP151

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular

What was his argument?

SwizzleStick · #7 Jun 29, '12, 8:20 am

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Originally Posted by NP151

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular the bible, catechism and anything related to the two are off limits. I could really use some help

There are thousands of posts on homosexuality here at CAF. I did a search for you and picked out a few threads that I thought you may be interested in reading. There are many others, though, so if what I found isn't useful for you, you can still use the search feature and find a lot of other threads to read which may be helpful to you. Good luck with your future discussions!

Selected lame gay "marriage" cliches refuted
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=676242

So what if that violates the Natural Law?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=688090

A non-religious argument against same sex marriage?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=642989

The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=582883

Persuasive, Secular Arguments For the Banning of Gay Marriages?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=563474

Homosexual "marriage" -- secular & natural law arguments against
http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...hlight=secular

Secular case against homosexual marriage
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=55332

gardenswithkids · #8 Jun 29, '12, 8:22 am

Health. Address it as a public health concern. Smoking is bad for health-- and so is sodomy.

peace2u2 · #9 Jun 29, '12, 9:13 am

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Originally Posted by NP151

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular the bible, catechism and anything related to the two are off limits. I could really use some help

Well, you could use nature as an example as homosexual behavior being disordered.

For example, have you ever seen on tv or read about 2 male polar bears in the artic or 2 male grizzly bears in the woods fighting to the point of death over another male bear to mate with? Or any 2 male animals of any species mating with each other?

Can't say that I have either.

JohnMPhilomena · #10 Jun 29, '12, 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by Dakota Roberts

Don't use NARTH, they have no credibility

Why do you say that?

Nelka · #11 Jun 29, '12, 10:12 am

What use would there be for women if all men were gay?

Dakota Roberts · #12 Jun 29, '12, 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by peace2u2

Well, you could use nature as an example as homosexual behavior being disordered.

For example, have you ever seen on tv or read about 2 male polar bears in the artic or 2 male grizzly bears in the woods fighting to the point of death over another male bear to mate with? Or any 2 male animals of any species mating with each other?

Can't say that I have either.

I have seen two male animals bond, two male dogs and there were bitches around too so it wasn't hormones causing them to mount everything. When one got hit by a car and died the other dog stayed by the body until it died.

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Why do you say that?

Nicolosi has been discredited according to the secular world.

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What use would there be for women if all men were gay?

They aren't arguing that everyone should be gay, they want to be able to marry to force people to recognize their relationships.

ixolite · #13 Jun 29, '12, 10:25 am

@OP: There is no secular argument against homosexuality. None that stands any water anyway. Here's an article you should read:
http://cltampa.com/dailyloaf/archive...y#.T-3a7ZH4WSo
(Basically (male) homosexuality is a byproduct of female hyperfertility like sicle cell anaemia is a byproduct of better protection against malaria. While some individuals may "suffer", overall there is a benefit. With sicle cell more survive than without, with homosexuality there is more offspring to the family even with some members not procreating. The non-procreating members also can function as babysitters. Kind of like bees and ants where only the queen procreates.)

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http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

*snort*

1. Nobody claimed that homosexuality is normal aka the norm. Obviously heterosexuality is the norm. Homosexuality however, like heterosexuality, is natural.
2. Homosexuality in animals is rare, therefore homosexuality in animals doesn't exist. Yeah, right.
3. It would be nice to see some evidence to his claims (i.e.the difference between humans and animals), unfortunately, not suprisingly though, there is none.

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Originally Posted by peace2u2

Well, you could use nature as an example as homosexual behavior being disordered.

For example, have you ever seen on tv or read about 2 male polar bears in the artic or 2 male grizzly bears in the woods fighting to the point of death over another male bear to mate with? Or any 2 male animals of any species mating with each other?

Can't say that I have either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...new-study.html

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Health. Address it as a public health concern. Smoking is bad for health-- and so is sodomy.

Homosexual anal sex is no more or less risky than heterosexual anal sex. Also, according to this logic you should be fine with female homosexuals then.

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Secular case against homosexual marriage
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=55332

That is such a load of ....

Procreation argument? Really?

Should we outlaw the mating of infertiles too? Ah yes, their numbers are so insignificant that it we shouldn't bother. Funny how that doesn't go for homosexuals who are a mere 10% of the population.

One also can't separate voluntary infertiles (aka those who use contraception) from fertiles? One can if we know which doctor prescribed contraception to whom. One could also simply outlaw any contraceptives, like Romania in the past.

Children need father and mother? O rly?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...eir-peers.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...teenagers.html

People are having less children who are better educated, on a planet that is overpopulated, how terrible.

Does this guy think before he puts such tripe down?

P.S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

Gods_Peace · #14 Jun 29, '12, 10:28 am

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Originally Posted by ConstantineTG

How about just shaking the dust off your sandals and walk away?

Agreed, if your message is not getting through to him, dust the dirt off your sandals, he is not worth your God given Time!!!!

Not Sure · #15 Jun 29, '12, 10:33 am

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Originally Posted by NP151

I recently got into a friendly debate with someone about homosexuality and he beat me to a pulp. I made a deal with him I said that his argument was well rehearsed he agreed saying that he had plenty of people strengthen it. I need to come up with a strong counter argument that is purely secular the bible, catechism and anything related to the two are off limits. I could really use some help

It is against the nature and the purpose of man, even according to Darwin. To a Darwinian, a homosexual is a broken branch that contributes nothing to the gene pool and is therefore insignificant. Blowing just as the dust.