Again, patriotic songs during Mass! - Page 3

Cristiano · #31 Jul 1, '12, 5:13 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

What about people who aren't from this country? But who *are* Catholics? It is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic, not one National Church.

I do not have any problem with those songs after the Mass. We had the recessional and after that they played God Bless America.
Considering that today Italy lost to Spain (0-4) in the European Cup I rather feel more American than Italian.

Seeker1961 · #32 Jul 1, '12, 5:22 pm

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Originally Posted by PJD1987

I feel your pain. I was out of town this weekend and had to attend Mass at a different parish and they played Battle Hymn of the Republic as the recessional song...

-Paul

Sounds like we were at the same parish.

TheRealJuliane · #33 Jul 1, '12, 5:23 pm

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Originally Posted by LegoGE1947

I really didn't notice what they sang at Mass. I was too busy praying for my daughter who just before Mass was taken to the Emergency Room because she was having trouble breathing and my wife had to take care of our granddaughters instead of going with me to Mass. Whether the music was appropriate or not, the readings certainly were specially the Gospel about Jesus touching Jairus" daughter and raising her up because I needed Jesus to touch MY daughter and raise her up as well. He DID. It turned out she had an asthma attack and laryngitis. I only know that our former Bishop preached the homily and that was a real surprise to see him there.

Well praise God for your daughter's recovery! That is a blessing!

TheRealJuliane · #34 Jul 1, '12, 5:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I do not have any problem with those songs after the Mass. We had the recessional and after that they played God Bless America.
Considering that today Italy lost to Spain (0-4) in the European Cup I rather feel more American than Italian.

Italy played a good game against the best team in the world right now. They have nothing to be ashamed of and I was sorry to see some of the players crying afterward. I know the player who was injured and had to leave the field down one man was really sobbing, probably blaming himself which he should not. Spain are unbeatable, everyone sees how good they are, and I love how clean they play. No fouling, no diving, just good solid football.

PatriceA · #35 Jul 1, '12, 5:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Rejoice Always

We sang "America the Beautiful" during the Recessional in my (Not CAF Approved) parish.

"Not CAF Approved", made me chuckle.

LegoGE1947 · #36 Jul 1, '12, 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

Well praise God for your daughter's recovery! That is a blessing!

She was still a little "out of kilter" when she and son-in-law came to get the girls. Hopefully she got some rest and she will be okay tomorrow.

triumphguy · #37 Jul 1, '12, 5:35 pm

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Originally Posted by LegoGE1947

I really didn't notice what they sang at Mass. I was too busy praying for my daughter who just before Mass was taken to the Emergency Room because she was having trouble breathing and my wife had to take care of our granddaughters instead of going with me to Mass. Whether the music was appropriate or not, the readings certainly were specially the Gospel about Jesus touching Jairus" daughter and raising her up because I needed Jesus to touch MY daughter and raise her up as well. He DID. It turned out she had an asthma attack and laryngitis. I only know that our former Bishop preached the homily and that was a real surprise to see him there.

The readings were great. I'm so glad your daughter is recovering.

Edmundus1581 · #38 Jul 1, '12, 5:36 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

What about people who aren't from this country? But who *are* Catholics? It is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic, not one National Church.

In Australia we sing the national anthem as a recessional when one of the two national days (Australia Day, or Anzac Day) fall on a weekday. I don't recall singing it on a Sunday, but I think it's possible.

If I was visiting America and went to Mass on a national day then I would have no problem with the congregation singing a national song for the recessional, in fact I'd be glad to be there with them, but I would feel excluded if it were sung after communion. What am I supposed to be thinking and feeling at this time? Also, might some particularly nationalistic people be angry with me for not joining in? If a patriotic song were sung both after communion and as a recessional I would leave the church feeling that I had only barely been in communion with my fellow congregation.

It's times like this to remember that, just as Sunday Obligation is imposed on travellers, it's also imposed on the particular Churches to make travellers welcome.

oneGODoneCHURCH · #39 Jul 1, '12, 5:58 pm

During the universal prayers, right after the Creed we pray for our country and elected leaders all the time. With that in mind I have to ask why is it inappropriate to sing an hymn that praises God and ask for his blessings and grace to be upon our country? It is that kind of thinking that lead to prayer being removed from the class rooms of public schools.

TheRealJuliane · #40 Jul 1, '12, 6:05 pm

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Originally Posted by oneGODoneCHURCH

During the universal prayers, right after the Creed we pray for our country and elected leaders all the time. With that in mind I have to ask why is it inappropriate to sing an hymn that praises God and ask for his blessings and grace to be upon our country? It is that kind of thinking that lead to prayer being removed from the class rooms of public schools.

Has nothing to do with prayer in schools. I think having a patriotic song (God Bless America is not a hymn!) during the Eucharist is totally inappropriate, period. OK, I might have to give in on the recessional although I still don't like it. But the subjects are completely unrelated to school prayer.

oneGODoneCHURCH · #41 Jul 1, '12, 6:18 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

Has nothing to do with prayer in schools. I think having a patriotic song (God Bless America is not a hymn!) during the Eucharist is totally inappropriate, period. OK, I might have to give in on the recessional although I still don't like it. But the subjects are completely unrelated to school prayer.

No they are not unrelated as the same kind of thinking is involved. In each you are compartmentalizing it ok to talk about God here but not here or the country here bout not here.

A hymn is a type of song, usually religious, specifically written for the purpose of praise, adoration or prayer, and typically addressed to a deity or deities, or to a prominent figure or personification. The word hymn derives from Greek ὕμνος (hymnos), which means "a song of praise." Collections of hymns are known as hymnals or hymnbooks. God Bless America fit the definition of a Hymn.

There are a lot of things I do not like that does not make them wrong,

ConstantineTG · #42 Jul 1, '12, 6:23 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

What about people who aren't from this country? But who *are* Catholics? It is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic, not one National Church.

Well they are in America.

Daim3 · #43 Jul 1, '12, 6:38 pm

We sang Lee Greenwood's God Bless The USA at mass today and it was beautiful.

Ok, just kidding.

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

I am as patriotic as anyone, in the right milieu. But at church, I am a Catholic and not an American. I don't think it's right to sing "God Bless America" while we are supposed to be praying to Jesus and thanking Him for the gifts of His Body and Blood.

I love this country and am so fortunate to be living here but I could not agree with the above statement more; behind you all the way on this.

LegoGE1947 · #44 Jul 1, '12, 6:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Daim3

We sang Lee Greenwood's God Bless The USA at mass today and it was beautiful.

Ok, just kidding.

I love this country and am so fortunate to be living here but I could not agree with the above statement more; behind you all the way on this.

We sang Moody Blues "I Know You're Out There Somewhere" or maybe not

Daim3 · #45 Jul 1, '12, 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by LegoGE1947

We sang Moody Blues "I Know You're Out There Somewhere" or maybe not

Lol. We also sang God Only Knows by the Beach Boys.