Regarding a Destructive Marriage & Evil Spirits - Page 2

aicirt · #16 Jul 13, '12, 11:28 am

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Originally Posted by mi6vida9loca

How dare you state such a hateful comment like that... I am concerned about my friend spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically... Just in case you don't know (and you claim to be a "Catholic") you ought to be aware of evil (demonic) forces that may be in play here... and if you're religious and don't believe in such a thing, then maybe you ought to think again & educate yourself more about what our religion is all about... I don't know how yall do things in Australia, but this type of phenomenon happens daily in the United States... what a hateful comment to put.... shame on you!!!

I think it is necessary to put the priorities first here and that would be to get her and the kids out to a shelter away from the abusive father, and the evil spirits. After she is settled, talk about the spirits with your priest.

Have you called the hotline? What have you and your friend done about the situation today? Just curious. Concerned all are safe.

mi6vida9loca · #17 Jul 13, '12, 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by Ysara

I totally agree!!! and the sooner the better... I think this has gone past marriage guidance... she and her kids need to leave that house...Is there anywhere she can go??? to a relative maybe??? even for a short time until she can begin to see clearly and get spiritual healing... I will pray for her and the kids... I will also pray for him...he needs delivered of this evil.

"deliver us from evil O Lord!!! "

Yes... she fears for her life as well as her kids but the only downside to this is that her own mother lives right across the street from them, as that's the only person she can go to (considering the fact that her parents are divorced) and she doesn't feel comfortable at all living right across the street from her abusive/possessed husband because she doesn't want to also put her mother's life in danger (who is completely unaware of what's going on in her relationship)...

Serap · #18 Jul 13, '12, 11:56 am

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Originally Posted by mi6vida9loca

Yes... she fears for her life as well as her kids but the only downside to this is that her own mother lives right across the street from them, as that's the only person she can go to (considering the fact that her parents are divorced) and she doesn't feel comfortable at all living right across the street from her abusive/possessed husband because she doesn't want to also put her mother's life in danger (who is completely unaware of what's going on in her relationship)...

then she should go to a shelter asap. What if this man raped his own children after getting bored of repeatedly raping his wife?

My dad molested me and used to rape my mom. It's a possible reality.

The Bucket · #19 Jul 13, '12, 12:16 pm

Yeah seriously. He may or may not be possessed. Probably not, but at this point it's totally irrelevant. She needs to be out and far, far away. So does her mother because God knows what could happen if he finds out his wife is gone and then marches across the street.

Get her, her kids and her mother to a shelter far away. Then call the freaking cops. The priest can visit him in a jail cell.

Lady Love · #20 Jul 13, '12, 2:27 pm

I believe in possession. Someone very close to me was abused and she said his eyes had a "look" and looked possessed. I saw the "look" she was talking about and I would have to agree. I also know about the "dark shadow."

She definitely needs to get herself and children away from Him but I also know from experience it is hard to "expose" your family like that. Especially, when you know the person well and know that what is being manifested is NOT your loved one.

You said she used to be a Catholic talk to her about seeing an exorcist, even if it is only for advice and discernment.

I believe the story because it is eerily familiar.

mi6vida9loca · #21 Jul 13, '12, 6:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Lady Love

I believe in possession. Someone very close to me was abused and she said his eyes had a "look" and looked possessed. I saw the "look" she was talking about and I would have to agree. I also know about the "dark shadow."

She definitely needs to get herself and children away from Him but I also know from experience it is hard to "expose" your family like that. Especially, when you know the person well and know that what is being manifested is NOT your loved one.

You said she used to be a Catholic talk to her about seeing an exorcist, even if it is only for advice and discernment.

I believe the story because it is eerily familiar.

Wow... I am truly more concerned now, considering that it may be what we both suspected... I spoke with her earlier today & she said she had a "good talk" with her husband about this situation they're both facing... but I don't think she ought to trust him that much, I mean once a complete possession takes place... it might be very destructive & she might not be able to fight it off on her own... I can't force hr to leave him (since it's ultimately her choice) but I will continue to support her & maybe this situation doesn't get worse... seems like all I can do for her as of now is pray...

andreashofer · #22 Jul 13, '12, 9:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Hokomai

You describe a woman being raped. She needs support to report her rapist to the police.

I personally have seen a case, where the police went to the house of the so- called "rapist husband", smashed the door, endangered his life with guns, beat him up and put him into prison. After 6 months, his wife wanted him back. She wanted to forgive him for all he had done to her, but the police so ill- treated him that his heart was even harder than before. After the court hearing, he hanged himself, maybe out of shame and not being able to manage his own pride for asking forgiveness. They had three children.

The police uses violence as their weapon.

Catholics don't use violence, but a brain, love, forgiveness and our good Lords divine providence of people, who will support the family with prayer and whatever else is needed.

Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind (Mahatma Ghandi)

odile53 · #23 Jul 13, '12, 11:04 pm

Demonic possession is only pronounced by the Church after those subject to it undergo intensive psychological evaluation. No diocese will authorize an exorcism without such an investigation.

The immediate situation is that your friend is being brutally violated by her husband. This is a potentially lethal situation. She needs to get to a safe place, and that would not be her mother's home. It would have to be a domestic violence shelter where there are trained security professionals.

Whatever is precipitating her husband's behavior is immaterial at this point. She is obligated by the Church to ensure her own safety, and that of any children involved. The cause (psychologic versus demonic) can be sorted out later.

mi6vida9loca · #24 Jul 13, '12, 11:11 pm

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Originally Posted by andreashofer

I personally have seen a case, where the police went to the house of the so- called "rapist husband", smashed the door, endangered his life with guns, beat him up and put him into prison. After 6 months, his wife wanted him back. She wanted to forgive him for all he had done to her, but the police so ill- treated him that his heart was even harder than before. After the court hearing, he hanged himself, maybe out of shame and not being able to manage his own pride for asking forgiveness. They had three children.

The police uses violence as their weapon.

Catholics don't use violence, but a brain, love, forgiveness and our good Lords divine providence of people, who will support the family with prayer and whatever else is needed.

Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind (Mahatma Ghandi)

You have a good point Andrea...

mi6vida9loca · #25 Jul 13, '12, 11:13 pm

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Originally Posted by odile53

Demonic possession is only pronounced by the Church after those subject to it undergo intensive psychological evaluation. No diocese will authorize an exorcism without such an investigation.

The immediate situation is that your friend is being brutally violated by her husband. This is a potentially lethal situation. She needs to get to a safe place, and that would not be her mother's home. It would have to be a domestic violence shelter where there are trained security professionals.

Whatever is precipitating her husband's behavior is immaterial at this point. She is obligated by the Church to ensure her own safety, and that of any children involved. The cause (psychologic versus demonic) can be sorted out later.

She doesn't seem to want to leave him...it's as if she want's to help him... I don't know....

Serap · #26 Jul 14, '12, 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by mi6vida9loca

She doesn't seem to want to leave him...it's as if she want's to help him... I don't know....

Not sure why you keep ignoring my point.

WHAT IF HE RAPES HIS CHILDREN??? THEY ARE IN DANGER.

papaececi · #27 Jul 14, '12, 10:43 am

This is scary, but we should know that nothing is a match for the power of Christ. This is a time for your friend to return to the Church, find the diocesean exorcist and make use of the Church's sacramentals. Others have mentioned practical advice about temporarily moving out of the house with her children, and I would think a priest/church might be able to help with that.

The Bucket · #28 Jul 14, '12, 11:54 am

Seriously. There is more you can do than pray. You can report this to the police. They'll interview her or at least try to do so. You can call up a battered women's shelter and tell them the situation.

You can't make her leave but you can dial up the pressure on her to make a decision to save herself. You seem more interested in the prospect of a demonic possession than in taking practical steps to save the lives and souls of everyone involved. If there's actual rape going on, that guy needs to be in prison. And he needs to be in prison not just to protect his family but for himself so he is physically removed from the situation and not able to commit such atrocities.

More and more it does indeed sound like a troll thread. Why would you toss in a bunch of smiley figures in a situation as serious as rape?

aicirt · #29 Jul 14, '12, 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by The Bucket

Seriously. There is more you can do than pray. You can report this to the police. They'll interview her or at least try to do so. You can call up a battered women's shelter and tell them the situation.

More and more it does indeed sound like a troll thread. Why would you toss in a bunch of smiley figures in a situation as serious as rape?

Me thinks you are right! Yesterday afternoon, I asked the OP if she had called the shelter and what they said. No answer.

Serap · #30 Jul 14, '12, 12:57 pm

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Originally Posted by aicirt

Me thinks you are right! Yesterday afternoon, I asked the OP if she had called the shelter and what they said. No answer.

I think this is a troll too. I am going to unsubscribe from this thread. It seems very odd and "set-up" to me.