Novus Ordo vs Lutheran Service

[LatinCatholic1]

The OF of the Roman Rite looks the exact same as the Evangelical Lutheran Service. What is the similarities and the differences between the two? Which came first?

God Bless

[Andre1000]

Lol. A very old Lutheran Service looks almost like the EF.

[pnewton]

The current missal came out in 1970. The Lutheran do not have Mass. Both use Scripture and music, though. I do not see any real comparison.

If you wish to pursue Lutheranism, that would be better done in the Non-Catholic section, I would think. This particular section of Liturgy is specifically for Catholic liturgy.

[Kevin812]

[curlycool89]

Originally Posted by Andre1000

Lol. A very old Lutheran Service looks almost like the EF.

And if a "newer" Lutheran service looks like the OF it's probably because they copied it too.

[ByzCathCantor]

Originally Posted by LatinCatholic1

The OF of the Roman Rite looks the exact same as the Evangelical Lutheran Service. What is the similarities and the differences between the two? Which came first?

Respectfully, this began with a very definitive statement, asserting clear similarities (in fact, equating both forms). Then, a request for an analysis of similarities and differences. Perhaps you could kindly share your own view first. Specific commentary of the Liturgy of the Eucharist would be most relevant.

[ThatOneGuy92]

As I am was raised Lutheran (and currently still am), perhaps I can help shed some light on this matter.

The reason that the Divine Service of the Lutheran Church is similar to the Ordinary Form of the Mass is simply because there is not much difference. And, there never has been. The Lutheran Reformation was a conservative one; if one investigates closely, Lutherans retained much of the order of the Mass. Thus, it should not be a surprise that there is similarity.

Yes, certain things were removed, the most notable being the Canon of the Mass. And yes, Lutheran liturgical theology is different in many respects than Catholicism's. However, if one looks at the rubrics throughout the years, there have always been similarities.

It should also be noted that many liturgical (and non-liturgical) churches reformed there service orders during the same time that Catholics were.

Hope this helps.

[Swiss Guy]

Originally Posted by LatinCatholic1

The OF of the Roman Rite looks the exact same as the Evangelical Lutheran Service. What is the similarities and the differences between the two? Which came first?

God Bless

Er, not really. Perhaps it was an LCMS church? Evangelical Lutherans (throughout the world, not just in US) have kinda taken a turn for the worst in all areas.

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by LatinCatholic1

The OF of the Roman Rite looks the exact same as the Evangelical Lutheran Service. What is the similarities and the differences between the two? Which came first?

God Bless

As I have never been to an evangelical lutheran service, can you please link to a copy of their "missal" so we can see what their service is like?

[agnes therese]

Originally Posted by LatinCatholic1

The OF of the Roman Rite looks the exact same as the Evangelical Lutheran Service. What is the similarities and the differences between the two? Which came first?

God Bless

The exact same? Really?
They have real consecration; and valid Eucharist; the same readings; the same collects,prayer after communion, and closing prayers; the same Eucharistic prayers; the same penitential acts; the same "Gloria" and "Holy, Holy, Holy;" the same Mysteries of Faith; the same liturgical calendar . . . ?????

Are you sure it's the exact same as Holy Mass?

[ThatOneGuy92]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

As I have never been to an evangelical lutheran service, can you please link to a copy of their "missal" so we can see what their service is like?

With some variations (depending upon parish, jurisdiction, and setting), this gives a good overview of the Divine Service as is known amongst most Lutherans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_...n)#cite_note-3

[ThatOneGuy92]

Originally Posted by agnes therese

The exact same? Really?
They have real consecration; and valid Eucharist; the same readings; the same collects,prayer after communion, and closing prayers; the same Eucharistic prayers; the same penitential acts; the same "Gloria" and "Holy, Holy, Holy;" the same Mysteries of Faith; the same liturgical calendar . . . ?????

Are you sure it's the exact same as Holy Mass?

I'm pretty sure they're referring the the rubrics.

[LatinCatholic1]

Originally Posted by agnes therese

The exact same? Really?
They have real consecration; and valid Eucharist; the same readings; the same collects,prayer after communion, and closing prayers; the same Eucharistic prayers; the same penitential acts; the same "Gloria" and "Holy, Holy, Holy;" the same Mysteries of Faith; the same liturgical calendar . . . ?????

Are you sure it's the exact same as Holy Mass?

Woah stop right there! Notice I said they " look the exact same ", I never said they are the exact same

[TheDoctor]

Originally Posted by ThatOneGuy92

With some variations (depending upon parish, jurisdiction, and setting), this gives a good overview of the Divine Service as is known amongst most Lutherans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Service_(Lutheran)#cite_note-3

Thanks, that was very helpful.

[ThatOneGuy92]

Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Thanks, that was very helpful.

You're welcome