Views on the Israel/Palestine conflict

[garyconrad]

Please listen to this woman she will open your eyes .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMm...layer_embedded
Thank-you and God Bless

[Abba]

Originally Posted by garyconrad

Please listen to this woman she will open your eyes .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMm...layer_embedded
Thank-you and God Bless

I see your fanaticism comes from following Pat Robertson. I follow Our Lord Jesus Christ. I am Catholic and not by name only.

I consider all Muslims my brothers and sisters because they are human beings and they were created by God in His image. They are not my brothers and sisters in Christ but they are part of the human family. I would help a Muslim the same way I would help a Catholic.

I suggest that you try to balance listening to Pat Robertson as he may be influencing you a bit too much. He is formenting a lot of hatred of Muslims because he wants the public to hate them and back wars, destruction and the robbery of their land so the Israelis can have it and establish Eretz Israel. Then, according to him Jesus will come and some crazy fanatical notion about the end of time. Do you also believe this? Are you Catholic or are you Evangelical? The Israelis do not believe any of Pat Robertson's notion but they welcome the support until it suits them.


"Sikhs have suffered terrible abuse. But the atrocity they suffered on Sunday may have its roots in fear and hatred of Muslims. Robertson has been one of the worst fomenters of this enmity. A year ago, as documented by Right Wing Watch, he speculated that “the Antichrist is Islam. … It’s centered on Mohammed, who defied Jesus. He said Jesus wasn’t the son of God—I mean, that’s the Antichrist. And I think the system is the Antichrist system, because they’re trying to destroy the Jews, and there’s a hatred, a virulent hatred of Christians and Jews.” Five months ago, Robertson opined, “These people on the left and these Islamic groups want to undermine our freedoms. They don’t want a free society like we have here. They want Sharia law. Are we giving this country away?” Last month, he advised a Christian to leave his Muslim girlfriend, arguing that it wasn’t “Christlike” to be “yoked together with unbelievers. In the Old Testament, they were forbidden to intermarry with the heathen.” Robertson added that “Jesus said, ‘I didn’t come to, you know, bring peace, but a sword.’ I mean, he’s not gentle Jesus.”
This notion of Christianity and Islam as incompatible faiths locked in a divinely ordained war drives much of the world’s bloodshed. In this country, it has inspired proposals by Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, and other conservatives to investigate Muslims in the U.S. government. What happened in Wisconsin—the nihilistic murder of peaceful, non-Christian believers at their house of worship—has rattled this sectarian mindset. It has invited Christians to see, in Sikhs and Muslims, their own brothers and sisters."http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...an_peace_.html

Btw, are you proposing that because of the lack of rights Muslim women have that gives anyone and everyone the freedom and right to destroy and attack them not just in the streets and in their Mosque but to blow up their villages and take their land? Homosexuality was recently legalized in the United States but the United States can go and blow these countries up because some of their laws are not considered nice? Can any and every countries that disagrees with homosexuality come and blow us up?

I have a neighbor who adopted two Chinese girls. I will assume you know about the situation in China with little girls. Now, because countries may disagree with China's two child limit and the problems it is causing - does that give countries the freedom to attack and destroy them?

[Abba]

I don't follow him:




I follow Him:

[garyconrad]

Who is pat robertson ? I heard maybe 20 words from him . I just read the bible and follow news . Islam is no friend of mine or my God, YHWH 's . You are the only one that has talked of violence , do not presume to know me . O

[chosen people]

Originally Posted by Abba

The only people that are being wiped out are the Arabians, Palestinians and Muslims. There a genocide going on in the Middle East, haven't you noticed?


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There is of course no genocide wiping out "Arabians, (Arab) Palestinians and Muslims" "going on in the Middle East". The term genocide was coined by a Polish Jewish legal scholar in 1944. The Shoah was a real genocide. Ironically, it was fostered by endless hateful lies against the Jewish people.

[mercytruth]

Originally Posted by chosen people

We may learn 3 things from his book:

1) We learn that he lives in the Galilee in Israel despite the lie of "ethnic cleansing"

2) We learn that Israel is a free and democratic country that protects free speech, religion and the rights of all it's citizens. So that the Archbishop is not only free to run his school but also to print and say the most outrageous things

3) We learn that if one says the most illogical things about Jews and the Jewish State, someone will believe it.

Now, in the interest of fairness and balance, perhaps you'll agree to read "Raquela: A woman of Israel" by Ruth Gruber?

Chosen people,

Are you saying that Archbishop Elias Chacour has accused Israel of 'ethnic cleansing' in his book, "Blood Brothers"?

Are you saying that it is not a good thing for Elias Chacour to start a school that is open to Christians, Muslims, Druze and Jews for bettering themselves?

Are you accusing Elias Chacour of writing the most illogical things about Jews and the Jewish state?

If you are, please give quotations from his book.

While I give you one quotation from his book:

"On the morning of the celebration, I was still settling into my room in Jerusalem. The day before, I had given blood in a local hospital to aid Israeli soldiers wounded in the fighting. I was still feeling a little weak, but the sound of cheering drew me into the streets." Blood Brothers, Elias Chacour, pg. 185 fourth printing, 2005.

By the way, for those who do not know about the book, former US Secretary of State, James A. Baker III writes the forward of this book and commends Elias Chacour. He says of him, "Blessed, indeed is the peacemaker"

G-d's peace

Micah

[rdscheirer]

Originally Posted by Suraya

Since I'm Middle-Eastern, I'm on the Palestinian side. IMHO, Christians in the West should support their brothers in Christ in the East first. Israel is an apartheid regime against Arabs.

[rdscheirer]

Let us review the privious post -Isreal is an apartheid regime-
Citizens of Isreal sit in the Knesset(Congress?) and guess what - some are Muslim-duh.. Yes I agree that Isreal is majority Jewish but they do not EXCLUDE any citizen from holding office in the legislature.

Lets look at the Mohammadan world- take a Bilble into Saudi Arabia- you get executed. Our "ally" in the middle east is so hostile to freedom that when we sent our military men and women to save them from the invasion of their fellow Mohammadans- they made certain to demand that any deployment of our forces to save them would not allow the Christian Bible.

[Lost and Found]

Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israel is perhaps the most ridiculous claim made by Israel’s enemies. The Palestinian population has exploded in recent years. According to the UN, the total population of Palestinians in all the disputed territories including Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem was 1,006,000 in 1950, rose to 1,094,000 in 1970, and exploded in 1990 to 2,152,000. In 2004 it was estimated to be 3.6 million. So much for ethnic cleansing.

The Nazis' objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe, with a promise to Grand Mufti al Husseini by Hitler that Germany's objective would eventually be the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. Revisionist history indeed!

[Ridgerunner]

There are as many"maps of ERetz Israel" as there are people to invent them. Most are so obviously absurd that nobody should ever trust the source for any other purpose, like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Just invented slanders people use to justify harming others.

Israeli Arabs have more freedom than Arabs do in any Arab country. They are protected by law and by the government. They don't need some tribal retribution system to protect them in Israel, as is the case in virtually every Arab land.

If the Arab groups had any sense, they would realize that Israel could be their ticket to prosperity; like having Silicon Valley move to your town. Some Arabs have had sufficient sense to see it. While nobody talks about it, there is trade between Arabs and Isralis all the time. It's the worst kept secret in the world. I personally know some Palestinian business people who do it. Their "tribe" has historically been go-betweens. People know it, but as long as they don't talk about it, it's okay as far as most are concern. Their verdict about Israelis? "They're hard bargainers and can be arrogant, but if they give you their word, they'll keep it." Now that's from Palestinians.

But, like warring street gangs, some Arab groups don't want peace. They don't want work. They don't want profitable trade. They don't want prosperity for their people. They want to shoot Jews and (they think) take over those hotels and beachfront houses in Israel and eat everything in the refrigerators until it's gone. Any Palestinian business person knows the Israelis are not the ones to fear. One has to fear the Arab gangs. Some are Islamist nut cases. Some want political power. Some are just hoodlums.

One of my friends was attending another wedding at that hotel in Amman where a bomber blew another wedding party to pieces. He narrowly escaped being killed. Saved by a pillar, but the young woman next to him had her head blown off by the blast. She wasn't behind the pillar. Totally innocent, but that didn't matter to the bomber(s). That was Arab on Arab. Muslim on Muslim. Gang on....somebody. Remarkably, he still does business there. "Part of the price" he calls it.

Some of the gangs run governments, as in Syria. Some of the gangs want to kill the gangsters who run governments so they can run the governments themselves, as in Syria.

There really are responsible Palestinians. There are. But there are responsible people in the South Bronx too and in the slums of L.A. But the gangs, not the responsible people, have too much power in those places. And until their power is broken (if ever) the Middle East will never be safe for anybody. And no unsafe place can truly prosper.

That, and not Israel, is the problem in "Palestine".

[garyconrad]

Thank-you for your good words , Ridgerunner .

[Abba]

Originally Posted by Zimm3r

Probably thee longest war/aggression in history, I was wondering what your opinion are?

When I usually discuss this with people I often see such a pro Israel side . It is rather disheartening or do people just not care about Palestinians and Muslims as they do Israelites and Jews? What I just don't understand is why they don't set up one democratic secular government with a constitution that protects religious freedom (I don't mean at all to make this task easy it is monumentally hard but giving one side their state and ignoring the other as terrorists is worse), both sides seems to demand a religious state and sadly it seems the Holocaust and the evil that occurred have been butchered and used as a political tool for an Israeli state.

What you are witnessing is an infiltration of fundamental evangelism in the Catholic Church in America. There is a thread going on here that is on it's fifteenth thread. I just saw it for the first time yesterday. There, people are getting ready to cheer when Iran is attacked and are calculating how many weeks it will take to destroy the nation. How is that Catholic? A nation of millions of people may be carpet bombed and people can't wait. Israel is believed to be a sacred cow and the Israelis are presented as demi-gods as God's chosen people. They divide humanity into two categories Pro-Israel and the 'enemies of Israel' which they get from the Old Testament. That label 'the enemy or enemies of Israel' comes with a lot and the destruction and evil is suppose to only be awaiting them. It's a lunacy that has infiltrated our Church.

We know that people existed before the establishment of the state of Israel and will continue to exist. People existed outside of those two labels and will continue to do so. People do not exist as pro or enemies of Israel. People have had thoughts, ideologies, hopes, dreams, faith, a sense of justice and respect for all of humanity long before the state of Israel was establish and they will continue to do so.

People can pray the rosary and ask Our Blessed Mother Mary to protect the people of Iran and this does not make them a pro nor an enemy of Israel. People do not exist under the light of Israel but under the light of God. What false compassion is that to fanatically and blindly idealize the Israelis yet be ready to cheer as the death of hundreds of thousands of human beings and the destruction of their nation and way of life is being prepared?

Now Iran's economy is under sanction. The sanctions will be considered effective when people mostly children will start to die as the fanatics cheer on. What lunacy! What false compassion! I do not know that God that those people have created. It is when what happened as a result of the sanctions placed on Iraq that the sanctions of Iran will be considered effective. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4 The idea is to weaken the economy so much so that people will want to overthrow the government. If not, they will be bombed any way and a regime that is more convenient for Israel will be established.

There is always a lie that is made up for the public. Iran is accused of possibly developing nuclear arms. The Iranian authorities have clearly stated that they are not and is against their faith to do so. But, Israel accuses and the controlled military of the United States will serve Israel in an intelligent fashion. However, what about the nuclear armament build up of Israel? They do not even allow UN inspectors in the country. None of this matters, to a lot of fanatics who unfortunately have been passing down positions of power and affecting the public. The objective is to make way for the expansion and establishment of Eretz Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUw4ZoskahI

I personally think that the solution is the establishment of two states with Jerusalem being under international authority. The fundamentalist will have to give up their notion of Eretz Israel and the Palestinian will have to accept the fact that they have neighbors now and have lost some of their land. Otherwise, the killing will continue to bring down regimes in the area and make way for Eretz Israel.

Praying for peace,

Abba


These were not demons/ They were human beings who are loved by the one and only God who created heaven and earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvJ1qVU894

[Seamus L]

I recommend that anyone who has not done so, read Under The Cover Of War : The Zionist Expulsion Of The Palestinians by Jewish author Rosemarie M Esber http://electronicintifada.net/conten...cleansing/8464

[mercytruth]

Originally Posted by garyconrad

Abby do you not understand Islam is from Satan, and you are doing Satan's work . You may not understand, but I do . You are on a one way trip to hell , repent and leave your master Satan . The time is growing short ,I will not help you after this warning . May God have mercy on your soul . O

The words that we speak, or write can be Satanic. Jesus rebuked Satan who was speaking through the apostle Peter. We must be very careful with what we say and write to one another.

I do recommend "Blood Brothers" by Elias Chacour, priest and now Archbishop of the Melkite Church in Israel. His family has lived in Israel since the first century. He tells the story of the dislocation of his family and village by the Zionist government of Israel.

Archbishop Chacour is a sterling advocate of peace and reconciliation in Israel.

God's peace to all the inhabitants of the Middle East

Micah

[garyconrad]

Thanks but time is running super short , and being nice is not longer tops on my list. I get your point, but hell is forever not like a diamond . May God Bless .