Why liberals are wrong to believe people are born "gay" - Page 3

WingsOfEagles · #31 Aug 4, '12, 7:53 pm

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/

livingwordunity · #32 Aug 4, '12, 7:58 pm

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http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/

From the article, "Fourteen years later, neither Bocklandt nor any other researcher has pinpointed the precise base pairs that might turn a man gay."

One study that was inconclusive and possibly biased.

WingsOfEagles · #33 Aug 4, '12, 8:03 pm

If you read the full article, part of the reason is that it is extremely expensive to map the genome. Your stance of "we would have found the gene by now" is disproved by this. Bottom line, it backs up the Catholic Church stance of "we don't quite know". You will also notice that brain scans between homosexuals and heterosexuals are different. This would suggest nature not nurture.

WingsOfEagles · #34 Aug 4, '12, 8:05 pm

They also have found a link to Xq28, so researchers have not come up empty.

WingsOfEagles · #35 Aug 4, '12, 8:06 pm

"Whether or not a gay gene, a set of gay genes, or some other biological mechanism is ever found, one thing is clear: The environment a child grows up in has nothing to do with what makes most gay men gay. Two of the most convincing studies have proved conclusively that sexual orientation in men has a genetic cause."

livingwordunity · #36 Aug 4, '12, 8:08 pm

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If you read the full article, part of the reason is that it is extremely expensive to map the genome. Your stance of "we would have found the gene by now" is disproved by this. Bottom line, it backs up the Catholic Church stance of "we don't quite know". You will also notice that brain scans between homosexuals and heterosexuals are different. This would suggest nature not nurture.

So you don't think it's possible for someone to get raped as a child and for this to make them feel repulsed by the opposite sex? If it's too expensive to do research to map and study genes, why were they able to map genes going back to Eve? Why do they have the capability to clone humans?

WingsOfEagles · #37 Aug 4, '12, 8:11 pm

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There's no such thing as a "gay gene".

And unlike being able to know what race a baby is, there's no way to look at a room full of babies and say that any of them are "gay". Also, hermaphrodites are extremely rare and are typically asexual, not homosexual.

Most likely something happened to someone to cause them to believe they are homosexual. For example, a baby gets molested, and no one in the family ever finds out. Later, the kid starts to think he's "gay" but doesn't make the connection to this repressed memory.

A married couple fights all the time and get divorced. Their daughter takes sides with her father in the fight. She grows to resent her mother so much that she can't reconcile the fact that she is the same gender as the one she has grown to hate. So she convinces herself that she isn't really that gender, adopts label of being "gay" and thinks that she needs to change her sex (which is actually impossible since one can't change their DNA).

A girl gets molested by her father or is raped by some other male and then develops a strong resentment of men because of this bad experience.

A baby boy starts playing with some dolls, and the family either freaks out about it or they start telling the boy that he's "gay". He internalizes the label. This is labeling and the self-fulfilling prophecy.

There are many other possible things that can happen to a child to influence them this way. In these cases, it was more the influence of outside factors which the child didn't choose to have. But not choosing these circumstances of childhood experience is not the same as being born that way.

It's possible that environment plays a role, but your stance of "They aren't born that way" is largely unaccepted.

livingwordunity · #38 Aug 4, '12, 8:13 pm

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It's possible that environment plays a role, but your stance of "They aren't born that way" is largely unaccepted.

I believe that environment and experience are not only possible but are most likely since many who are homosexual will admit to having some kind of experience that may have had an influence on their feelings and sexual identity. But those who wait for a "gay gene" are still waiting.

WingsOfEagles · #39 Aug 4, '12, 8:17 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

I believe this is what you mean by they were able to trace back to "Eve". It is easier to determine relatedness than individual parts of the genome for different traits. That is why paternity tests are so easy to get.

livingwordunity · #40 Aug 4, '12, 8:24 pm

I was just thinking about something. I know that they haven't found a "gay gene". But if they ever did, it wouldn't mean that God did it since there are many types of genetic diseases. When God created the world, he created it perfect. So if they ever did discover a "gay gene" it would be just another type of genetic mutation or imperfection, something that was not so from the beginning of creation.

WingsOfEagles · #41 Aug 4, '12, 8:31 pm

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I was just thinking about something. I know that they haven't found a "gay gene". But if they ever did, it wouldn't mean that God did it since there are many types of genetic diseases. When God created the world, he created it perfect. So if they ever did discover a "gay gene" it would be just another type of genetic mutation or imperfection, something that was not so from the beginning of creation.

That is very true. And if he did create it, it could be for another purpose. For example, that person's vocation isn't marriage, it's a life of chastity.

maltmom · #42 Aug 4, '12, 8:32 pm

I now of a family where all of the cousins were molested by one of the uncles. Not one of them became a lesbian. Based on your comments one would think that at least one of the 7 would be.

livingwordunity · #43 Aug 4, '12, 8:53 pm

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That is very true. And if he did create it, it could be for another purpose. For example, that person's vocation isn't marriage, it's a life of chastity.

It might be that someone who thinks they were born homosexual was actually born with an asexual orientation.

livingwordunity · #44 Aug 4, '12, 8:55 pm

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I now of a family where all of the cousins were molested by one of the uncles. Not one of them became a lesbian. Based on your comments one would think that at least one of the 7 would be.

I didn't say that everyone who gets raped becomes a homosexual. But I just found this from a non-biased government source:

"In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered."

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300