Pro-life campaigners post video of abortion doctor saying his work helps get rid of 'ugly black babies'

[estesbob]

Ruth Baser Gingsberg said the same thing only in much politer terms

[SamH]

Originally Posted by estesbob

Ruth Baser Gingsberg said the same thing only in much politer terms

If you read her entire quote I don't think its all that much more polite.

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by RPRPsych

This guy is an Indian ? ? ? ?



*hangs head in shame*

I guess I shouldn't be surprised though. One only needs to read the matrimonial columns of the average Indian newspaper to completely demolish the myth that racism is something that only White people suffer from. But then what do I know, I once was an "ugly black baby" myself!

Don't hang your head in shame. Based on my experience, Indian culture encourages warm, kind, hardworking, and charitable people. This guy clearly has problems or he wouldn't be doing what he is doing.

I've heard many people comment before on how immigrants are supposedly given a free pass on racism. I find that sort of remark somewhat amusing. Well duh! It takes years of a stiff regimine of self-delusion for an average American child to accept the Cosby show as "normal" and ignore pretty much everything else around them. This is the process Americans must undergo in areas like St. Louis (where black poverty, blight and dispair are the overwhelming norm.) in order to avoid becoming a racist (if they are white) or repeating another generation of the cycle of poverty (if they are black).

For a non-black person, this process begins in kindergarten when they first notice that while they have to pay for their lunch, the black kids get it for free. When they ask the teacher why, they are told unceremoniously that they are imagining things. This begins a life-long habit of ignoring. Ignoring free handouts of food, clothes, field trip money, and school supplies... ignoring inappropriate and bullying behavior that goes unpunished...ignoring constant loud, vulgar language and fights in hallways...ignoring crime reports on the news...ignoring...sophomores in high school that can't write a sentence but still pass the class...ignoring personal experiences with crime...ignoring people laying around on stoops in the middle of the day when most people are at work...ignoring certain people being given jobs and promotions they aren't as qualified for...ignoring a large portion of your kindergarten class being absent on graduation day... and training oneself to assume that what you see and hear is the exception to the rule and that the "real world" outside of everything you experience is a sunny place like Sesame Street where all the children are treated the same regardless of what they look like and they all grow up to a successful adulthood.

If you think that sounds like it requires alot of effort, imagine what it takes for a black child in this situation to get past all the negativity around them and make something of themself in the world! Amazingly enough, there are so many black families that have done just that and have managed to make it out of poverty and build real support systems (not entitlement systems) to allow the next generation to do so in even greater numbers. This generation's experience is going to be alot different in my opinion. We were taught to say that when I was a kid but now, what I see and hear actually supports that statement. At any rate, who can expect a "new arrival" to adapt so quickly to the hopefully self-fullfilling prophecy we've trained ourselves to believe in? All they know is what they see.

[RPRPsych]

Originally Posted by Allegra

Don't hang your head in shame. Based on my experience, Indian culture encourages warm, kind, hardworking, and charitable people. This guy clearly has problems or he wouldn't be doing what he is doing.

Thank you very much. I know that, and I can personally vouch for it - so many of the people I know, from all over India, fit your description very well.

I've heard many people comment before on how immigrants are supposedly given a free pass on racism. I find that sort of remark somewhat amusing. Well duh! It takes years of a stiff regimine of self-delusion for an average American child to accept the Cosby show as "normal" and ignore pretty much everything else around them. This is the process Americans must undergo in areas like St. Louis (where black poverty, blight and dispair are the overwhelming norm.) in order to avoid becoming a racist (if they are white) or repeating another generation of the cycle of poverty (if they are black).

For a non-black person, this process begins in kindergarten when they first notice that while they have to pay for their lunch, the black kids get it for free. When they ask the teacher why, they are told unceremoniously that they are imagining things. This begins a life-long habit of ignoring. Ignoring free handouts of food, clothes, field trip money, and school supplies... ignoring inappropriate and bullying behavior that goes unpunished...ignoring constant loud, vulgar language and fights in hallways...ignoring crime reports on the news...ignoring...sophomores in high school that can't write a sentence but still pass the class...ignoring personal experiences with crime...ignoring people laying around on stoops in the middle of the day when most people are at work...ignoring certain people being given jobs and promotions they aren't as qualified for...ignoring a large portion of your kindergarten class being absent on graduation day... and training oneself to assume that what you see and hear is the exception to the rule and that the "real world" outside of everything you experience is a sunny place like Sesame Street where all the children are treated the same regardless of what they look like and they all grow up to a successful adulthood.

If you think that sounds like it requires alot of effort, imagine what it takes for a black child in this situation to get past all the negativity around them and make something of themself in the world! Amazingly enough, there are so many black families that have done just that and have managed to make it out of poverty and build real support systems (not entitlement systems) to allow the next generation to do so in even greater numbers. This generation's experience is going to be alot different in my opinion. We were taught to say that when I was a kid but now, what I see and hear actually supports that statement. At any rate, who can expect a "new arrival" to adapt so quickly to the hopefully self-fullfilling prophecy we've trained ourselves to believe in? All they know is what they see.

Wonderful post. Thanks a lot for taking the pains to explain this. And it's true that many of these problems are far larger than the acts of individuals. Entitlements are often part of the problem (we have that problem too, though not so much "black/white" as in terms of caste / parentage), but God willing, we can find ways to transcend such experiences.

[ringil]

I more than OK with having my tax dollars assist in foster care and services for any baby/child who would have been aborted. I would be more than happy to have my taxes raised to meet this need.

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by RPRPsych

Thank you very much. I know that, and I can personally vouch for it - so many of the people I know, from all over India, fit your description very well.



Wonderful post. Thanks a lot for taking the pains to explain this. And it's true that many of these problems are far larger than the acts of individuals. Entitlements are often part of the problem (we have that problem too, though not so much "black/white" as in terms of caste / parentage), but God willing, we can find ways to transcend such experiences.

Entitlements are fine as a temporary measure, but five generations later, they aren't doing any good. We are finally starting to see programs that are supporting these kids becoming sucessful adults, parents, and citizens, not just making sure they eat today and tomorrow.

[RPRPsych]

Originally Posted by Allegra

Entitlements are fine as a temporary measure, but five generations later, they aren't doing any good. We are finally starting to see programs that are supporting these kids becoming sucessful adults, parents, and citizens, not just making sure they eat today and tomorrow.

Very true. We're having the same sort of "growing pains" with educational and job entitlements ("affirmative action", to use the American term), which have sadly served to increase ill-feeling rather than build the warm and fuzzy feelings that our Government thought they would inspire. It's going to take some time for us to make the kind of changes you mention, but there is always hope!

And back to the thread: as difficult as it seems, I guess I should pray for Dr. Ron Virmani, who (as little as I like it) is both a fellow Indian, and a fellow doctor.

[ringil]

Originally Posted by RPRPsych

Very true. We're having the same sort of "growing pains" with educational and job entitlements ("affirmative action", to use the American term), which have sadly served to increase ill-feeling rather than build the warm and fuzzy feelings that our Government thought they would inspire.

Racism and prejudice exist as very deep feelings in some people and are very hard to shed.

Many would prefer to live, have their children attend school, and work amongst "their own kind".

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by ringil

I more than OK with having my tax dollars assist in foster care and services for any baby/child who would have been aborted. I would be more than happy to have my taxes raised to meet this need.

And, if we cut tax dollars from programs that were encouraging and enabling people to have sex with people they don't love, who don't love them, and with whom they have no intention of raising children with, we would have less children to care for and more money with which to care for them!

[gnjsdad]

I saw this and it disgusted me.

So, whenever some velvet-tongued Democratic politician or commentator talks about "pro-choice" or "protecting womens' reproductive rights" or starts decrying the non-existent Republican "war on women", watching this video will rip that smarmy mask off and show us what really lies beneath.

This video is what they are really defending.

[ringil]

Originally Posted by Allegra

And, if we cut tax dollars from programs that were encouraging and enabling people to have sex with people they don't love, who don't love them, and with whom they have no intention of raising children with, we would have less children to care for and more money with which to care for them!

No, I don't agree with your characterization of governmental programs and their role or function.

But know this, if abortion is made illegal as we all hope, their will be an explosion of need in many communities. Failure to meet the valid needs of individuals and families would have catastrophic results for the state of many areas of our nation.

In my mind, and many others, to feel that we can end abortion AND cut governmental funding is ludacris, and would have incalculably negative consequences.

People don't have sex because they feel they can relay on welfare. People have sex (outside of marriage) due to immorality- much of it pushed by a media who says that "sex sells."

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by ringil

People don't have sex because they feel they can relay on welfare. People have sex (outside of marriage) due to immorality- much of it pushed by a media who says that "sex sells."

The media and the government also say "sex has no consequences". I wasn't speaking of programs that provide food, shelter, and medical care. I was talking about programs that provide abortions, artificial birth control, and "education" programs that insist that the only way to be authentic as a human being is to never deny your sexual appitite.

[ringil]

Originally Posted by Allegra

The media and the government also say "sex has no consequences". I wasn't speaking of programs that provide food, shelter, and medical care. I was talking about programs that provide abortions, artificial birth control, and "education" programs that insist that the only way to be authentic as a human being is to never deny your sexual appitite.

Oh, OK. I got you.

[SamH]

Originally Posted by RPRPsych

Very true. We're having the same sort of "growing pains" with educational and job entitlements ("affirmative action", to use the American term), which have sadly served to increase ill-feeling rather than build the warm and fuzzy feelings that our Government thought they would inspire. It's going to take some time for us to make the kind of changes you mention, but there is always hope!

And back to the thread: as difficult as it seems, I guess I should pray for Dr. Ron Virmani, who (as little as I like it) is both a fellow Indian, and a fellow doctor.

Does anyone remember that the programs of the "Great Society" were supposed to be temporary? They were supposed to be a hand up so people could begin to provide for themselves - but for some reason the government never envisioned people deciding that not working was better than working.

That was why it was a called "The war on poverty" it was supposed to be won - not lasting without end with trillions of dollars lost and million of lives lost or destroyed.

[exoflare]

You guys, it's obvious just by looking at that picture that it's a fake.

It's already known what a passionate racist Margaret Sanger was. Just stick to the facts instead of sullying the message with hoaxes.