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Old Aug 22, '05, 7:23 am
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Default Which are the liberal diocese in the US?

Just wondering.

I live in the diocese of Milwaukee, where do you think it ranks?

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Old Aug 22, '05, 7:29 am
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Check out Cleveland, LA and Albany. Altoona PA was bad but I have heard they are improving. I have to say Detroit, but the TLM was recently allowed so kudos to the Cardinal.
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Old Aug 22, '05, 7:50 am
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Portland, Santa Fe, Gallup, San Antoinio, Las Cruses .... actually I think it would be easier to say who is not liberal dioceses as there would be a smaller number cited.

As far as Milwaukee is concerned it all determines how far it has come since the retirement of Bishop Weakland. However, while he was the Bishop I would have placed it in the extremely liberal category.
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Old Aug 22, '05, 8:46 am
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Liberal is in the mind of the beholder.

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Old Aug 22, '05, 8:50 am
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Liberal is in the mind of the beholder.

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............agreed
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:01 am
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Liberal is in the mind of the beholder.

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Well then, which diocese allow their parishes to teach outside the magisterium?

- Uses "she" to refer to God
- Allows several people to come to the altar to join in the consecration
- Teaches that abortion, birth control, euthanasia, ESCR, and cloning are not 'always' to be avoided
- Allow openly active gay couples to hold ministry positions in the church

Basically, the ones who are misleading their followers in the teachings of the Church...
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:02 am
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Liberal is in the mind of the beholder.
I think that you can objectively say which dioceses are orthodox in their teachings and which are not.

Liberal is perhaps a bad word, as is conservative. We should use the terms orthodox and unorthodox.
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:08 am
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Phoenix is a very interesing diocese. Up until the recent arrival of Bishop Olmstead I would say we were among the more liberal. Our dear new Bishop is doing wonderful (and I'm sure very difficult) things here. Phoenix now is taking great strides toward becoming one of the more orthodox diocese.
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:09 am
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Check out Cleveland, LA and Albany. Altoona PA was bad but I have heard they are improving. I have to say Detroit, but the TLM was recently allowed so kudos to the Cardinal.
What makes Detroit a liberal diocese?
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:26 am
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I think that you can objectively say which dioceses are orthodox in their teachings and which are not.

Liberal is perhaps a bad word, as is conservative. We should use the terms orthodox and unorthodox.
When I read or hear 'Orthodox' I think of the Eastern Rite catholics though....obviously I'm confused...can you help clarify the distinction?
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Old Aug 22, '05, 9:30 am
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orthodox - or·tho·dox

  1. Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion.
  2. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds.
heterodox - het·er·o·dox
adj.
  1. Not in agreement with accepted beliefs, especially in church doctrine or dogma.
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Old Aug 22, '05, 10:55 am
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I think that you can objectively say which dioceses are orthodox in their teachings and which are not.

Liberal is perhaps a bad word, as is conservative. We should use the terms orthodox and unorthodox.
I have no problems with terms like "orthodox" and "heterodox." However, I wonder who is qualified to make such determinations. Who among us knows the full gamut of what is orthodox? Is someone here qualified to say "that falls within the broad panoply of acceptable Catholic praxis or teaching" or to say that something is heterodox? This is not a rhetorical question. I do not judge the Church, even in her local incarnation as a Diocese. I guess there are others here who know the faith much better than I and who are fully qualified to make these distinctions.

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Old Aug 22, '05, 11:03 am
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orthodox - or·tho·dox
  1. Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion.
  2. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds.
heterodox - het·er·o·dox
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  1. Not in agreement with accepted beliefs, especially in church doctrine or dogma.
So we have Eastern orthodox and Western orthodox?

The Eastern being the Eastern Rite Catholics who do not recognize the Roman Pope, but are still completely 'Catholic' - legit sacraments,etc.

and the Western being the Roman Rite Catholics?

But under both branches (W & E) there can be orthodox Catholics and heterodox Catholics.

Am I understanding that correctly???
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So we have Eastern orthodox and Western orthodox?

The Eastern being the Eastern Rite Catholics who do not recognize the Roman Pope, but are still completely 'Catholic' - legit sacraments,etc.

and the Western being the Roman Rite Catholics?

But under both branches (W & E) there can be orthodox Catholics and heterodox Catholics.

Am I understanding that correctly???
Almost! The Eastern Rites are in Communion with the Pope as are the Latin (Roman) rite.

The name Orthodox Church (capital O) is generally used to distinguish those of the Greek Rite who are not in communion with the Holy See.

However, there can be orthodox as well as heterodox.
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I have no problems with terms like "orthodox" and "heterodox." However, I wonder who is qualified to make such determinations. Who among us knows the full gamut of what is orthodox? Is someone here qualified to say "that falls within the broad panoply of acceptable Catholic praxis or teaching" or to say that something is heterodox? This is not a rhetorical question. I do not judge the Church, even in her local incarnation as a Diocese. I guess there are others here who know the faith much better than I and who are fully qualified to make these distinctions.

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I think, for the question in this thread, we're looking at the obvious indicators within a diocese. If at mass God is referred to as "She" or consistently "God" (obvious avoidance of the masculine term), or allows openly sexually active homosexuals to be Eucharistic Ministers there's probably a rather high likelihood that the other teachings of the diocese/parish do not fall in line with Rome. We wouldn't have to examine the 'complete' diocesan teachings when some of the very basics are obviously not heterodox.
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