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Old Sep 5, '12, 10:56 am
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I just finished Orthodoxy for the first time, and went right out and bought The Everlasting Man--I've enjoyed both of them very much, probably because I'm partly British, have regretted that I didn't try careers in either teaching or writing, and would like to be a more effective evangelist with a focus on rational and logical basis for faith rather than the mystical focus which has emerged so strongly from Vatican II.
Are you surprised by the proliferation of the term mystery in recent Church documents? I found the term 12 times in the first 20 pages of the 1994 Catechism, whereas it's hard to find any at all in my old Baltimore Catechism. Chesterton, like CSLewis and Peter Kreeft, seems to focus primarily on the history, the truth, and the logic of faith.
For my part, I feel so strongly and clearly the Presence and Will of God that I find it hard to imagine anyone who could genuinely and honestly doubt His existence--it seems a vain quest for freedom and power.
I suppose I mostly share the conservatism of the three, and their distaste for the radical evil and universalist, socialist/communist drift of so many liberals.
Chesterton's second chapter comments ring very true: worldly people never really understand the world--all the most self-confident are in lunatic asylums; we must accept the mystery of life.
I'm still reviewing comments in other Orthodoxy threads, but want to encourage our group to post here, and hope someone else might start a thread for the Everlasting Man.
I was tempted to be shocked that I had heard so little about these authors in school, until I considered their scorn for many academic unionists.
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Chesterton wrote Orthodoxy before becoming a Catholic. Lewis never joined the RC and Kreeft started out as a protestant.
Many of today's best and most active apologists started out as protestants. Where are the cradle Catholics? Can anyone provide names of a few non-converts who are in the apologetics vanguard today?
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Kreeft's Handbook of Christian Apologetic has a bibliography sorted by chapter. It includes quite a number of "modern" apologists--I'll list the first mentioned, although I don't know whether they are converts. It might not take long to find out.
Dorothy Sayers
FJ Sheed
WL Craig
JP Moreland
Norman Geisler
Ron Brooks
Martin D'Arcy
Kelly Clark
This is about 1/10 of the total listed. I'm struggling through the mid-section of Everlasting Man--the beginning and end have been more interesting. I admit to skipping around if I get restless--even though it does nothing whatever to help my comprehension, nor my retention. Anybody else reading this? Encouragement? Kreeft urges all readers to consult both these Chesterton books.
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It took me some time to work through Orthodoxy. I have reached a point where I go back to read sections or whole chapters to refresh and appreciate Chesterton's style. His writing demands more attention and a greater appreciation for reading in general.

Kreeft is writing today to an American audience and is therefore more easily understood. His reference points are not to British writers and academics from around 1900 and his arguments are structured differently. His style is more direct and easier to appreciate.

I enjoy both, but reach for Chesterton when I have more free time and the freedom to savour each page.
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Despite my enjoyment of Orthodoxy, I'm really bogged down in Everlasting Man, perhaps because I've just been more motivated to read several other things at the same time. I'm mostly skipping around--and wonder if there are any particular segments you would recommend.
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It is strange how the world turns sometimes--tomorrow I start the first class I've taken in many years, and one of the texts we are to read is Orthodoxy, and another is Lewis' Abolition of Man, which I have also read. So I have a bit of a head start, but probably a lot of work any way. I'm still struggling through Everlasting Man, but finding the end more interesting and readable than most of the beginning. I'm still hoping someone else will start a new thread for it.
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