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Old Nov 2, '12, 11:27 am
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Default Should Catholics celebrate Bonfire Night?

Due to the celebration's anti-Catholic roots?
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Old Nov 2, '12, 12:30 pm
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Due to the celebration's anti-Catholic roots?
All over Europe the bonfire night is a tradition I think evolved from the fact that after autumn sets in and the farmers make the clippings and cuts of the trees preparing them for the new season they have to burn them somewhere and that partially is the reason it is done plus it has become a Christian/Catholic celebration where people get together.
In some places there are other more pagan connotations but I will describe the one I am familiar with:
In the northern part of Italy they have a tradition (called Pan e Vin) of having "vin brulee" (red wine that has been cooked with lemon or orange peels, honey and cinnamon) and "crostuli" (a fried sweet flat dough sprinkled with sugar), after the procession of the kings (it is held on epiphany eve). Nice way of keeping warm as tipically the bonfire night temperatures are bellow zero
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All over Europe the bonfire night is a tradition I think evolved from the fact that after autumn sets in and the farmers make the clippings and cuts of the trees preparing them for the new season they have to burn them somewhere and that partially is the reason it is done plus it has become a Christian/Catholic celebration where people get together.
In some places there are other more pagan connotations but I will describe the one I am familiar with:
In the northern part of Italy they have a tradition (called Pan e Vin) of having "vin brulee" (red wine that has been cooked with lemon or orange peels, honey and cinnamon) and "crostuli" (a fried sweet flat dough sprinkled with sugar), after the procession of the kings (it is held on epiphany eve). Nice way of keeping warm as tipically the bonfire night temperatures are bellow zero
I thought we celebrated it because of Guy Fawkes?
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Old Nov 2, '12, 12:38 pm
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Default Re: Should Catholics celebrate Bonfire Night?

I don't think the problem is pagan roots...I suppose you are discussing Guy Fawkes Day, an anti-Catholic celebration. Where images of the Holy Father are burned in effigy. Sounds pretty horrible to me. Anti-Catholic roots lead to anti-Catholic trunk, branches, fruit.
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Default Re: Should Catholics celebrate Bonfire Night?

I've never heard of "Bonfire Night" in the US......is that a regional celebration?

Edit: Nevermind, just noticed that the OP is in the U.K.!

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All over Europe the bonfire night is a tradition I think evolved from the fact that after autumn sets in and the farmers make the clippings and cuts of the trees preparing them for the new season they have to burn them somewhere and that partially is the reason it is done plus it has become a Christian/Catholic celebration where people get together.
In some places there are other more pagan connotations but I will describe the one I am familiar with:
In the northern part of Italy they have a tradition (called Pan e Vin) of having "vin brulee" (red wine that has been cooked with lemon or orange peels, honey and cinnamon) and "crostuli" (a fried sweet flat dough sprinkled with sugar), after the procession of the kings (it is held on epiphany eve). Nice way of keeping warm as tipically the bonfire night temperatures are bellow zero
There are bonfire feasts in honor of saints in Spain as well.
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Bonfire Night is the celebration of disturbing a group of terrorists in the act of trying to blow up the house of commons. Guy Fawkes, an anglican from York, who sympathised with catholics over their illegal status under James 1st ( and 6th, in Scotland).

The town of Lewes, in Sussex, is quite famous for it's " no popery" parades, and burning of the papal effigy. It's no longer exclusively anti-catholic, though that element remains, but it's not widespread.

We always had fireworks, etc when kids, without too much angst.

But i wouldn't attend an event if knew anti-catholic feeling was being expressed.
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Probably not.

"The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 - A secret plan to overthrow the king.

In November 1605, the infamous Gunpowder Plot took place in which some Catholics plotted to blow up the English Parliament and King James l, on the day set for the king to open Parliament. The men were angry because the king had treated them badly and they didn't like it.

The story is remembered each 5th November when 'Guys' are burned in a celebration known as "Bonfire Night"." - from http://resources.woodlands-junior.ke...stoms/guy.html

And as I typed this I remembered celebrating Guy Fawkes with a very faithful and devout Catholic friend (from before my conversion). The celebration was at their home because she absolutely loved fireworks, not that we had a bonfire or burned effigies of anything, but the irony didn't strike me until now. Living in South Africa the debate around the 5th November tends to revolve more around why we feel any need to celebrate an "English" event at all.
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Old Nov 2, '12, 2:26 pm
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I've never heard of "Bonfire Night" in the US......is that a regional celebration?

Edit: Nevermind, just noticed that the OP is in the U.K.!



There are bonfire feasts in honor of saints in Spain as well.
Yeah I forgot that the Guy Fawked day IS and anti Catholic festival sorry me bad it's been more that 30 years since I last visited UK (did my college education there) but yeah you are right that most of Europe they have folk bonfires that are Church friendly!
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I thought we celebrated it because of Guy Fawkes?
Guy Fawkes a Catholic was burned to death.
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Guy Fawkes a Catholic was burned to death.
He wasn't burned to death, he was hung, drawn and quatered for trying to blow up the houses of parliament.
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He wasn't burned to death, he was hung, drawn and quatered for trying to blow up the houses of parliament.
Actually he broke his own neck before the executioners could have their wicked way.

But he's burned in effigy on Nov 5th

However, there's nowt like parkin, treacle toffee, jacket potatoes and a few sparklers to lighten up a dark winter night.
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http://britishfood.about.com/gi/rati...offee%20Recipe

http://britishfood.about.com/od/reci...orksparkin.htm

I'm going to cook these on the weekend
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Actually he broke his own neck before the executioners could have their wicked way.

But he's burned in effigy on Nov 5th

However, there's nowt like parkin, treacle toffee, jacket potatoes and a few sparklers to lighten up a dark winter night.
Sorry I thought you meant they executed him by burning him to death! But I thought they still drew and quatered him after he broke his neck out of tradition (even though he was dead) . In England we don't tend to burn a "guy" anymore probably due to laws about bonfires but I guess other countries must still do it.
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