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Aug 31, '05, 11:53 am
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Why would God allow the hurricane to hit?
Could our Nations recent troubles of rising fuel costs, storms, wars..ect be a Chastisment from God meant to humble us so we'll turn back to him?
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Aug 31, '05, 12:02 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Well, I can't speak for God, but I can tell you that the rising gas prices are a direct result of our greed for gasoline. Over the last 10 years, our consumption of gasoline has skyrocketed, thanks to the SUV fad. Basic economics will tell you that when demand grows faster than the supply, prices will increase. We have only ourselves to blame for the increased gas prices.
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Aug 31, '05, 12:51 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
While I certainly can't speak for God any more than Michael  , a look through at least modern history would seem to suggest a lack of correlation between these kinds of catastrophes (or blessings!) and the actions of nations.
While the "why do bad things happen to good people" question (and of course its reverse "why do good things seem to happen to bad people?") is a difficult one, my gut feeling is that God suffers with us in these things but that He does not directly bring them on.
I remember feeling particular revulsion when I heard that same argument applied to the victims of the tsunami.
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Aug 31, '05, 1:05 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Dear friends
No it is not a chastisement. We live in the veil of tears, we are living as followers of Christ Jesus in a damaged world. Whatever happens in this life, it is only love and faith that matters, everything else is an addition and all things ultimately are blessings. That's not easy to see in the midst of trial, but it is truth.
We live in exile, under a cloud of darkness, but Christ Jesus is in the world, within those who believe and receive Him in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
Look at how we live and have lived throughout the ages and tell me God is not merciful, as still we live and move and have our being in Him?
I believe that God is merciful, not stern judge.
The question you really are asking is , 'Is this the end times?', well yes it is, it has been since the ressurection of Christ Jesus and no-one knows the hour, so stay awake.
God Bless you and much love and peace to you
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Aug 31, '05, 5:30 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Originally Posted by starrs0
Could our Nations recent troubles of rising fuel costs, storms, wars..ect be a Chastisment from God meant to humble us so we'll turn back to him?
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Aug 31, '05, 7:02 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Dear friend
Well now, what would make you think you should be singled out in the whole of the sinful world for a chastisement?
Hysteria is an unpleasant thing and it is not something Catholics/ Christians entertain, we are not peoples of fear or worry or speculation, we are a people who trust in God in all things.
Scaremongering is an even more unpleasant thing and I do not care for threads like this, it is most unkind for the families that have lost people they love.
Frankly, it's a futile question and time would have been better spent in prayer, I hope I never see anyone else post up anything like this again.
God Bless you and much love and peace to you
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Aug 31, '05, 7:07 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
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Could our Nations recent troubles of rising fuel costs, storms, wars..ect be a Chastisment from God meant to humble us so we'll turn back to him?
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If it is, you are missing the big one.
Abortion.
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Aug 31, '05, 11:04 pm
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Re: A Chastisment?
Everything that happens is under God's Providence.
God can use physical evils to punish us, convert us, purify us, or as an act of mercy. I feel the hurricane encompasses all of the above.
Ironically, sometimes what appears to us as evil is sometimes an act of Mercy.Sometimes He brings physical death to the Just in order to save them from other greater evils to come, or to take them home when their souls are at the best Earthly state they'll ever be, allowing them to die in their maximum state of Grace. Sometimes He brings death to the Unjust, the Condemned, in order to prevent them from committing more evil. Had they lived longer they could've committed even more evil and they would've gone to an even lower level of Hell. All of these are acts of Mercy. He is merciful to the Just and the Unjust.
He also punishes. The same God of the Old Testament is the same God today. He sees all and I would bet that he's not all too happy with America.
The biggest sin of America is Abortion. God might be just a little upset about Limbo filling up with millions upon millions of aborted babies, souls who, had they been born, could've been baptised so that they could one day potentially possess the Beatific Vision and adore Him for all eternity! He might just be a wee bit upset about that. Right now America alone (not including all the other countries) murders a million babies a year, and since Roe V. Wade we have killed around 46 million innocent human beings!
Did any of us NOT think that we'd have to answer for this one day?
Other sins of America include Greed over oil and subsequent foreign policies that might be seen by other countries as bullying for the sake of possessing oil, pornography, materialism, excessive viewing of TV, all the junk that Hollywood produces to corrupt the morality of the world, etc... Need I go on?
Yeah, we've done some good. We police the world. We spread freedom, yadda yadda. The good, I think, is miniscule compared to all the bad.
Maybe God was sick of watching the hedonism of Mardi Gras! This public orgy was an open mockery of God and a celebration of everything unholy. It disgusted me and I'm willing to bet it really ticked God off a LOT!
I still think America has it in her to repent and to do a lot of geniune good in the world. Our charity towards the Tsunami victims was a good start, but more needs to be done. We need to end abortion! We need to start turning back to God by first plucking the logs out of our own eye. Then, we can look towards doing geniune good in the rest of the world.
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Sep 1, '05, 6:28 am
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Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
I dnt get why god would allow the big hurracaine katrina to hit and cause so much damage?...couldnt he have stopped it from happening?
What reason is there for it happening?
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Sep 1, '05, 6:36 am
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Re: Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
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I dnt get why god would allow the big hurracaine katrina to hit and cause so much damage?...couldnt he have stopped it from happening?
What reason is there for it happening?
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God will make good things happen from this heartbreaking situation. But I ask this question also, just like 9-11, or other disasters.
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Sep 1, '05, 6:51 am
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Re: Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
Sometimes, God lets nature take its course. Disasters are opportunities for everyone to help out. This is earth, not Heaven. IF nothing bad ever happened this would be Heaven.
We are put here to be able to prove how much we care about others. When bad things happen we have a choice, to either do something positive or to ignore the situation (and in some really awful cases, the real low lifes will try to profit from other folks misfortunes, as with the looters and muggers).
We as people of God are asked to show our love for our neighbors. I mourn the pain and suffering and loss of life, but I rejoice at the outpouring of love and concern that flows out from many folks during these times of great crisis.
These people desparately need our help and now is the time to show what you really believe in. DO you believe that God is punishing these folks ? or did you just see people who need our help and are willing to do something about it.
Storms are a random part of nature. That it hit near Mississippi and New Orleans is just an eventuality or result of random currents and air flow. They have hit so many other places before, and could have hit anywhere in the gulf.
I think sometimes prayers help to somewhat divert storms or natural disasters, but many folks are praying. This time it moved east by about 50 miles in the last couple hour or so, that made Biloxi the main target, also this storm diminished from a cat 5 to a cat 4 in the last few hours.
To say it could have been worse never seems to help much. Even if only one person dies, it is still very tragic. To either blame God or to blame the folks for being in the wrong place at the worng time, really misses the point on several levels.
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Sep 1, '05, 6:53 am
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Re: Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
God doesn't make these things happen. Weather is nature and happens regardless of where humans decide to settle and build. 9-11 was human "free will" all the way. My question isn't "Why didn't God stop these things from happening" it's "Why do people blame God for everything bad and not give thanks for everything good?"
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Sep 1, '05, 6:56 am
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Re: Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
Keep in mind what Anne Graham Lotz, the daughter of Billy Graham, correctly said just after September 11th. I believe that it applies here.
Essentially, why should God help? Our nation, through its leadership and increasingly hedonistic culture, has told God repeatedly to "get lost" and that we don't want him in our nation any more. And God, being the gentleman that he is, has done just that. So we shouldn't expect God to come in where he is not wanted.
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Sep 1, '05, 7:34 am
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Re: Why would god allow the hurracaine to hit?
Mozier,
How powerful absolutely true and so well said by Ms. Graham. Thanks for sharing.
And I believe that these sort of things happen also as chastisements from God. When disasters strike, people pray and turn to God. All good things come from disasters as well, for it is all in God's great infinite providence.
WWII was a horrific holocaust and chastisement brought down upon mankind by God - the Blessed Mother warned three little children about it by saying "if men do not mend their ways, a worse and terrible war will erupt" and 30 years later, WWII broke out. But things like this are all in His plan because it brings about the reunion of the masses and starts people praying.
We must trust in God in all things. He is at the helm of life!
God Bless!
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Sep 1, '05, 7:39 am
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Re: A Chastisment?
Do some research, please! This topic has been discussed ad nauseum on CA. . Hurricane Katrina is a NATURAL DISASTER.
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