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Old Sep 16, '05, 4:25 am
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Default Does the pope go to confession?

If he goes to confession,who does he go to?
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Old Sep 16, '05, 5:16 am
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Default Re: Does the pope go to confession?

He goes to another cardinal, bishop, or priest.
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Old Sep 16, '05, 5:20 am
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Yep. Isn't it generally a jesuit?
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Old Sep 16, '05, 5:33 am
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I thought the pope was infailbble!

What would the pope be confessing if he can't make mistakes?
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Old Sep 16, '05, 5:41 am
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I thought the pope was infailbble!

What would the pope be confessing if he can't make mistakes?
Infallibility does not mean that a Pope can not make mistakes, nor that he can not sin. It is a special charism by which he is protected from teaching error in matters of Faith and Morals. That's all.
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Old Sep 16, '05, 5:51 am
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I thought the pope was infailbble!

What would the pope be confessing if he can't make mistakes?
Love ya, godsent! The Pope is not incapable of sin. Infallibility refers to a charism (special gift of the Holy Spirit) he receives for the Church. All it means is that he cannot officially for the Church proclaim anything that will contain error in faith and morals.

If you ask the Pope to add a column of numbers, and he comes up with the wrong answer, his papal infallibility is not challenged. Arithmetic isn't a matter of faith and morals.

If a Pope has a furious, unjustified, outburst of temper, thus commiting a sin, his papal infallibility is not challenged. His human sinfulness requires him to go to Confession, but he has not officially proclaimed in error a matter of faith and morals which the Church must embrace.

The last Pope went to confession weekly, I am told. It was said that Pope Pius XII confessed daily to a Servite Priest.

There is a beautiful story about JP-2 which, although it smacks of urban legend, sums up the healing beauty of Confession.

A Priest who had become a street bum bumped into a seminary classmate on the streets of Rome. The classmate had been invited to a private meal with the Pope and asked to bring his former friend. At the dinner, the story came out. The Pope took him aside afterward, heard his confession and then asked that Priest to hear HIS confession. When the man stammered that he had been deprived of his priestly faculties, the Pope said to him: you are always a Priest, and I am the Pope; I have just restored your faculties. The Priest heard his confession. The Pope then assigned the man to a church in Rome, ministering to the derelict homeless.
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Old Sep 16, '05, 6:44 am
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What is needed is some homework on "infallibility" versus "impeccability".

I have read that the Holy Father confesses weekly or more often.


He also has "issues" that we cannot even comprehend. For example, in the Catholic versus Catholic conflicts that take place in various countries, did he take the right and appropriate actions, as head of the Catholic Church? Should the Holy Father have gone to Rwanda personally? Or, in some situation or other, did he misuse his authority, perhaps in some personal irritation with one religious person or other?

It has been written that the Pope's responsibility is to think 300 years ahead. How do you do that????
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Old Sep 16, '05, 8:18 pm
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Yes,the Pope goes to confession,actually his confesor is a Jesuit priest.
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Old Sep 16, '05, 8:25 pm
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Yes,the Pope goes to confession,actually his confesor is a Jesuit priest.
Why a Jesuit? Is there some connection to the order? To the particular priest?

My guess is that hearing the Pope's confessions is pretty mundane most of the time. Not like the typical youth group night down at the local church. But wouldn't it be interesting to be a fly on the wall for those little tidbits? I suppose that is why most people aren't outraged that Pope John Paul II's personal papers weren't burned by his personal secretary/priest (as was his only direct request in his will); we want to see those rare glimpses into his thoughts.
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Old Sep 17, '05, 11:30 am
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Infallibility does not mean that a Pope can not make mistakes, nor that he can not sin. It is a special charism by which he is protected from teaching error in matters of Faith and Morals. That's all.
Can.749 - paragraph 1.: "The Supreme Pontiff, in virtue of his office, posesses infalable teaching authority when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful, who's task is to confirm his fellow believers in the faith, he proclaims with a definitive act that a doctrin of faith or morals is to be held as such."
Can. 749 - paragraph 3.: "No doctrine is understood to be infallibly defined unless it is clearly established as such."
The only time his Holyness is infalable is when he specifically speaks ex-cathedra on a matter of dogma (that which must be believed), and makes it plane that that is what he is doing. Can. 749 - paragraph 2. makes it clear that the college of bishops also posesses infalable teaching authority with reservations.
His Holyness can make mistakes otherwise, is otherwise subject to temptation, does indeed have a confessor, and does have recource to the sacrements of confession and reconcileation, as do all priests.
Please forgive me. My spelling and typing are not infalable, and I do not have recorce to the sacrement of spell check on this platform
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Old Sep 17, '05, 11:58 am
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I thought the pope was infailbble!

What would the pope be confessing if he can't make mistakes?
The pope is human, and fully capable of sin. We all sin, we all follow God's plan of Confession of sins. You have a misunderstanding of what infallibility means. There are many threads on the topic of infallibility which I will search for you Also remember that we not only confess mortal sins. We can sin in thoughts and in words in what we have done and what we have failed to do. Even the saints sin. we are all in need of God's mercy and Christ's salvation through the cross.
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Old Sep 17, '05, 7:10 pm
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Default Re: Does the pope go to confession?

I might add that Bishop Sheen's line about "hearing nuns' confessions is like being stoned to death with popcorn."
that might about be how at least recent popes' (last few hundred years) confessors might feel (unless B16 is a axemurderer by night)
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Old Sep 17, '05, 7:51 pm
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Remember Peter denied Christ three times!
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