Sex, Lies, and Videotape

[Cherie Peacock]

What did you think of the Sep cover story about Alfred Kinsey?

[mark a]

Originally Posted by Cherie Peacock

What did you think of the Sep cover story about Alfred Kinsey?

I'll pick it up at Church this weekend.

Meanwhile, can you help me out with my question I posted about Protestant Indulgences?

[JimG]

I was just getting ready to compose a thread about this when I noticed this thread. Thanks for bringing it up!

The article was great. I read it several times, and it probably deserves another reading to fully sink in.

I suspect that its true import might be missed by many younger readers simply because the evils brought about by the Kinsey-originated revolution in sexual behavior are now so commonplace as to be taken for granted. The current degenerated state of society is taken as normal because it has always been with us.

But this article helps us understand how and why this came about.

People often think that when it comes to sex, all eras are equal; it’s just that some eras hid their behaviors better.

Not true. The frauds, lies, false statistics, and “scientific data” which Kinsey obtained from pedophiles and criminals subtly worked its way into American and western culture, affecting several generations’ views of ‘normality.’

By making the abnormal and perverted seem to be normal, Kinsey actually effected a change in the culture. Behaviors that previously were criminal or reprobated, are now legal and accepted, because “everybody does it.” Didn't Kinsey prove that?

Well, that was the point. The builders of the Kinseyian revolution wanted everybody to do it. Because they wanted acceptance of their own perversions.

The effects on society have been devastating.

[CatQuilt]

How timely! I haven't read it yet but will do so. They made his 'story' into a Broadway play...Dr.Sex...

[Liberalsaved]

The "evils" of better sexual awareness are a myth. Being ignorant about sex and sexual possibilites and consequences is what leads to rising teen pregnancies, greater instance of unwanted pregnancies and thus both overpopulation and backdoor abortions on the rise, primarily due to the fact that the people having unwanted pregnancies cannot afford medical abortions.

Better sexual education=a good thing. Kinsey didn't introduce anything that wasn't already there, he just brought it to light and made people aware of it, and we are healthier for it.

[nan]

How does any child in the USA remain "ignorant" (I prefer the term "uncorrupted" myself)? Perhaps by homeschooling and no TV? But.......those aren't the kids having abortions, so...... I have to disagree with the above poster.

[Liberalsaved]

Originally Posted by nan

How does any child in the USA remain "ignorant" (I prefer the term "uncorrupted" myself)? Perhaps by homeschooling and no TV? But.......those aren't the kids having abortions, so...... I have to disagree with the above poster.

School and TV are not the ways people should be educated. Your argument supposes that there is no better way to teach kids about sex than to throw them in at the slime end of the pop culture pool. This just isn't true.

[JimG]

The point is not whether providing information is good or bad. The point is that Kinsey provided incorrect information and bad statistics for the purpose of making real world behavior at that time look more like he wanted it to be. Because people believed this incorrect data, they assumed that their own experience of what was happening in the world was wrong. False statistics created a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You may not agree with the author's conclusions, but read the article to see what he is saying first.

[JimG]

Originally Posted by Liberalsaved

Being ignorant about sex and sexual possibilites and consequences is what leads to rising teen pregnancies, greater instance of unwanted pregnancies . .

Admittedly I'm way old, but as I recall, my own high school peers were incredibly ignorant about matters of sex. And yet, we had a teen pregnancy rate of zero. Too bad we didn't have better sex education.

[Liberalsaved]

Originally Posted by JimG

Admittedly I'm way old, but as I recall, my own high school peers were incredibly ignorant about matters of sex. And yet, we had a teen pregnancy rate of zero. Too bad we didn't have better sex education.

Teen pregnancy rate of Zero? This was for the entire world for your age group?

[Liberalsaved]

Originally Posted by JimG

The point is not whether providing information is good or bad. The point is that Kinsey provided incorrect information and bad statistics for the purpose of making real world behavior at that time look more like he wanted it to be. Because people believed this incorrect data, they assumed that their own experience of what was happening in the world was wrong. False statistics created a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You may not agree with the author's conclusions, but read the article to see what he is saying first.

This is simply not true. You are refusing to beleive what he found out, simply because it does not fit YOUR perceptions of how the world is supposed to work.

Your arguments go both ways.

[JimG]

Originally Posted by Liberalsaved

This is simply not true. You are refusing to beleive what he found out, simply because it does not fit YOUR perceptions of how the world is supposed to work.

Your arguments go both ways.

Have you read the article? I’m not refusing to believe Kinsey simply because his conclusions didn’t fit my perceptions of how the world is supposed to work. I didn’t pay much attention to his work when it came out, since I was just a kid at the time. But the fact is, his conclusions didn’t correspond to the real America then. I believe that what he “found out” describes more what the culture is today than what it was then. But it was his own writings that had an influence in causing that very change.

I did a quick Google search on Kinsey. Apparently, the author of the “This Rock” article is not alone in these conclusions. I don’t expect you to accept the article’s conclusions uncritically; neither should you accept Kinsey’s work at face value. Don’t assume that the culture today is the same as it was then.

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...2/143104.shtml
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/2099/CFI/cfreport/
http://home.att.net/~r.s.mccain/reisman.html

[JimG]

Originally Posted by Liberalsaved

Teen pregnancy rate of Zero? This was for the entire world for your age group?

Kinsey didn't purport to have studied the whole world. I can only speak with direct experience of my own high school. Teen pregnancy rate was zero. Of course, that was a Catholic school. But my friends in the public school down the road had similar experiences.

Remember, contraceptives of any sort were generally unavailable to teens then; plus, sex of any kind outside of marriage was strongly condemned by both Catholic and Protestant leaders and parents. Kids were expected to abstain, and they did. Now, we expect them to have sex, so they do. We hand out condoms, and they meet our expectations.

[ThomasFrancis]

Anyone interested in reading more about the disgusting life and illogical reseach conducted by Alfred Kinsey should read the book Intellectual Morons by Daniel Flynn. A whole chapter is dedicated to Alfred Kinsey and discrediting his research.