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Old Mar 24, '13, 12:23 pm
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Default Dr. Charles Stanley exclaimed: Purgatory is false!

This morning I was flipping through the channels and came across De. Charles Stanley (Baptist minister) who was saying the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is false. More important,what caught my attention is when he stated,the doctrine makes Christ death on the cross null or that it was not enough? WRONG!

It never shocks me to hear Protestants totally misunderstand the doctrine and one of the biggest reason is due to their interpretation of salvation.
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This morning I was flipping through the channels and came across De. Charles Stanley (Baptist minister) who was saying the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is false. More important,what caught my attention is when he stated,the doctrine makes Christ death on the cross null or that it was not enough? WRONG!

It never shocks me to hear Protestants totally misunderstand the doctrine and one of the biggest reason is due to their interpretation of salvation.


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Dispensationalist. He's evoking rapture while condemning all us to the evil world?
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Dr. Stanley is a Southern Baptist. If he didn't reject Purgatory, he'd be the only one... so I don't see how anyone can be surprised.
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http://www.doesgodexist.org/NovDec08...tionalism.html

http://baptistperspective.brucegourl...pture-and.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stanley
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Is purgatory a form of being punished for the sins remaining after death, a form of purifying with fire? I guess I'm not clear on how the purification process works in this church doctrine.
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Is purgatory a form of being punished for the sins remaining after death, a form of purifying with fire? I guess I'm not clear on how the purification process works in this church doctrine.
It's a purification process before entering heaven, because only those that are clean can enter into heaven. Not all will need to go through purgatory, but I think it's a safe guess that most will.
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It's a purification process before entering heaven, because only those that are clean can enter into heaven. Not all will need to go through purgatory, but I think it's a safe guess that most will.
I understand what you are saying but what does this purification process consist of? The Bible says the wages of sin is death-I would assume the second death since we all die physically.
So is this purification process just separation from God for a spell or some form of punishment with fire as the rich man experienced as Jesus told of Lazarus And the rich man in Hades?
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I like listening to him though, every now and then. I like his books as well.
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I have listened to him some, but since he isn't a Catholic, take his stuff with a grain of salt. The one I like listening to most is Ravi Zacharias. I'm currently working my way through his book, "The End of Reason." It's his response to an atheist. Well, an atheist writing anyway.
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below is a snippet from a short article on Purgatory from Catholic.com..what great resources we have right at the click of a mouse!!

The Argument for Purgatory

I would like to thank Jimmy Akin for introducing me to the logical argument for purgatory; it can be formulated as follows:

Premise 1: There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in Heaven.

Premise 2: We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life.

Conclusion: Therefore there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin and their attachment to sin.

Because this is a deductive argument, if one wants to dispute the conclusion, he must take issue with one of the premises, since the conclusion follows from them necessarily.

So which is it?
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Dr. Stanley is a Southern Baptist. If he didn't reject Purgatory, he'd be the only one... so I don't see how anyone can be surprised.
Like I said...never shocks me.
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below is a snippet from a short article on Purgatory from Catholic.com..what great resources we have right at the click of a mouse!!

The Argument for Purgatory

I would like to thank Jimmy Akin for introducing me to the logical argument for purgatory; it can be formulated as follows:

Premise 1: There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in Heaven.

Premise 2: We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life.

Conclusion: Therefore there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin and their attachment to sin.

Because this is a deductive argument, if one wants to dispute the conclusion, he must take issue with one of the premises, since the conclusion follows from them necessarily.

So which is it?
1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the FatheróJesus Christ, the Righteous One.

The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
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1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the FatheróJesus Christ, the Righteous One.

The problem created by premises 1 and 2 are answered by the advocacy of Christ
Praise God for your faithfulness to His word. Here's more from the word of God;

Romans 8
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2*For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death
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