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Old Apr 12, '13, 7:37 am
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Default How to stump an Atheist?

I need ways on how to stump an Atheist in a debate.

Also, I heard God was an alien in the sense that he is a foreigner to Earth. Is this true?
Old Apr 12, '13, 8:05 am
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Default Re: How to stump an Atheist?

Present the St. Thomas Aquinas 5 proofs of God's existence (Summa Theologica), the recent unexplainable evidence on the Shroud of Turin and the Early Church Fathers statements, Eucharistic miracles and other miracles (theres even on caught on video: shows Mary appearing to thousands of people in Zeitun)
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Old Apr 12, '13, 8:07 am
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Default Re: How to stump an Atheist?

Ask them how we exist.

When they say that science will figure it out eventually, point out that that's just as much a blanket statement of faith as saying that God Chose to create us.

You probably won't get them to admit they're stumped though. Atheists tend to be a very illogical bunch...
Old Apr 12, '13, 8:12 am
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Default Re: How to stump an Atheist?

First, on the God-is-an-alien thing, I don't see how that can possibly be a useful avenue of debate. In one sense, God is very alien, very other from us. In another sense, he is what (who) we are made to be wholly united with.

As to "stumping" an atheist, I think the best approach is to go after his assumptions (many of which he will not even realize exist). For example, if there is no God, there is no good or evil, there is only what we have been conditioned by evolution to do or not do, which has no moral component. It's claimed that theism has a problem of evil, but it is really atheism that has a problem of evil, or a problem of lack of evil.

Another fundamental problem with atheism is accounting for anything - that is, why is there anything rather than nothing. They will bring up all sorts of hypotheses such as eternal universes (almost certainly not possible) or multiverses (no evidence, and by definition there cannot be any evidence, and still has the eternal universe problems).

Check out Edward Feser and William Lane Craig and Frank Turek for lots of good arguments and debates. The latter two also have lots of audio and video material.

Edward Feser states (and argues) that atheism is "deeply immoral and irrational". This is exactly the opposite of how atheists view themselves, and you can really rock them back on their heels by using arguments to show that if atheism is true there cannot be either morality or rationality.
Old Apr 12, '13, 8:16 am
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Also, I heard God was an alien in the sense that he is a foreigner to Earth. Is this true?
The only part of that that is true is that he is not of this Earth. You can't really say he's a foreigner because he's omnipresent and has been with Earth since the beginning of the world.
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I need ways on how to stump an Atheist in a debate.

Also, I heard God was an alien in the sense that he is a foreigner to Earth. Is this true?
agree with them and see how they react...

In all seriousness though I wouldn't bother trying to stump an Atheist because not much point to that kind of argument etc as I don't like point scoring and wooden spoon stiring debating
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I always find Fr Robert Barron very useful when debating athiests. This video contains his "contingency" argument and I have found that it present athiests with questions they cannot answer.

I love Fr Robert Barron because he explains things in a way that those who do not have a grounding in theology or philosophy can easily ingest and then use it themselves when put on the spot by athiests or those who want to take a pop at the nearest Catholic.
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Default Re: How to stump an Atheist?

A better question might be "How to convert an Atheist?"
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