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Old May 9, '13, 9:05 am
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Question Kneeling/standing/sitting at a Missa Cantata

I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
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Old May 9, '13, 10:07 am
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I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
Hello,

Others here are more expert in this area than I but I will still offer a response. Personally, I have never been at any "Latin Mass" where the people kneeled after the Sanctus. It has always been at its beginning. As for the orate fratres, the standing either happens with the incensation of the people or the per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen. after the Secret, whichever comes first (it should be the incense). There would always be incense, right? So, I can only recall standing for the incense.

Since there have never been any "official" (i.e., from the Holy See) directives as to the postures of the people in the pew at the old Mass, there certainly could be diversity.

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Old May 9, '13, 10:33 am
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Default Re: Kneeling/standing/sitting at a Missa Cantata

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I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
The general rule I learned was to stand when the priest is singing, except sit if he decides to sing the Epistle. AFAIK, this doesn't vary much from country to country.
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Old May 9, '13, 12:52 pm
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I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
I can't really speak to any variation that may exist as the only EF Masses I've been to have been here in my own backyard. That nevertheless constitutes about 4 years of EF attendance at three parishes in three different dioceses, two of which were under the care of ICRSS and one which is diocesan. All of these have been in the San Francisco Bay Area, so it may very well just be a local thing.

In any case, all three parishes would:

1. Sit at the Offertory just after "Oremus", and would stay seated until the end of the Preface, meaning that we would sit during the Orate Fratres.

2. Kneel at the very end of the Preface just before the Sanctus when you hear "una voce dicentes..."
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In any case, all three parishes would:

1. Sit at the Offertory just after "Oremus", and would stay seated until the end of the Preface, meaning that we would sit during the Orate Fratres.

2. Kneel at the very end of the Preface just before the Sanctus when you hear "una voce dicentes..."
That is my experience too.
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1. Sit at the Offertory just after "Oremus", and would stay seated until the end of the Preface, meaning that we would sit during the Orate Fratres.

2. Kneel at the very end of the Preface just before the Sanctus when you hear "una voce dicentes..."
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I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
I don't believe it varies from place-to-place, but #1 can vary depending on the incensation. One stands when the congregation is incensed, and it often happens that that overlaps the Orate Fratres, and when it does, one is standing for that too. It also happens that the incensation overlaps the Secret, in which case one remains standing right through the Preface. (Personally, when I see that the incensation is taking long, I'll remain standing rather than do up-down gymnastics for all of 10 seconds.)

For #2, AFAIK, one kneels at the start of the Sanctus.
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The traditional liturgy does not have rubrics for the faithful. It is of course appropriate to follow general principles and local customs; I am only pointing out that there might be some legitimate variations.

Personally, I've never seen people kneel after the Sanctus (except at the Novus Ordo), nor have I seen standing for the Orate Fratres (except by coincidence with the incensation mentioned above).
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Perhaps I am projecting NO rubrics onto the EF, but to me it would seem that one would stand for the Orate Fratres (in the case of a Dialogue Mass) as it is a call to prayer by the priest.
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I've been trying to figure this out, but there doesn't seem to be much of a ocnsensus bases on the missals I've looked at.

At a Missa Cantata, does one:
  1. stand at the prayer Orate fratres?
  1. kneel after the Sanctus or when it starts?

Did this vary from country to country (continent to continent)?
At the TLMs that I go to regardless of type, people kneel when the Sanctus starts (not the end like Ordinary Form Masses/churches that have kneelers) then stand up when the words for the Our Father are started. Normally we are seated after the Credo then stand up when the priest says the Orate Fratres till the start of the Sanctus but that is the customs of the churches I've attended.
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At the TLMs that I go to regardless of type, people kneel when the Sanctus starts (not the end like Ordinary Form Masses/churches that have kneelers) then stand up when the words for the Our Father are started.
This is how it is in my church.
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