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Old Aug 3, '13, 3:33 am
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Default Inadvertent sins are obstacle to perfection?

I'm kind of freaked out about a passage I read written by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange.

Here is what he says regarding inadvertent/unintentional sins:

Sins of frailty are those committed inadvertently because of human weakness; the will has only a small share in them; it yields momentarily, but promptly disavows its weakness. Sins of this kind cannot be completely and continually avoided, but their number should be diminished. They are not a serious obstacle to perfection because they are quickly atoned for; yet it is well to submit them to the influence of the sacrament of penance because thereby purity of soul will become more complete.


Is he saying that unintentional sins are an obstacle to perfection and thus cause us to have culpability for them? I was always taught that unintentional sins do not result in any offense and do not impede perfection...

Am I missing something here?


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When is a sin "semi-deliberate" and when is a sin "indeliberate"?

Alot of explanations I read from theologians make the two sound like the same thing..
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Old Aug 3, '13, 3:50 am
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I pride myself on always knowing when I sin. There is no inadvertence with me. I was always taught the intention was an essential ingredient for sin. Heavens, if we have to avoid every stupid thing we do unintentionally I am in deep do do. I think God is nicer than many give Him credit for. An understanding of the sin,as an insult to God, our resolve not to fail again and acceptance of His forgiveness will move us slowly away from our habitual sins, but I find it very hard. I am comforted that His mercy extends beyond the love I personally feel for my son and I know how I am prepared to forgive,not that the pride of my life disappoints me often. Inadvertance and sin are not compatible in my lexicon.
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I'm kind of freaked out about a passage I read written by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange.

Here is what he says regarding inadvertent/unintentional sins:

Sins of frailty are those committed inadvertently because of human weakness; the will has only a small share in them; it yields momentarily, but promptly disavows its weakness. Sins of this kind cannot be completely and continually avoided, but their number should be diminished. They are not a serious obstacle to perfection because they are quickly atoned for; yet it is well to submit them to the influence of the sacrament of penance because thereby purity of soul will become more complete.


Is he saying that unintentional sins are an obstacle to perfection and thus cause us to have culpability for them? I was always taught that unintentional sins do not result in any offense and do not impede perfection...

Am I missing something here?


---a side question---

When is a sin "semi-deliberate" and when is a sin "indeliberate"?

A lot of explanations I read from theologians make the two sound like the same thing..
Don't know how much help I can be here...but here goes....

Something to keep in mind is that "sin" is not simply some offense (or crime) against a command. The terms translated as "sin" in both Hebrew and Greek also mean "error" and "losing the way". It is possible to make an error or lose ones way without intending to do so...
Keeping this in mind
All sin is an obstacle to perfection. Note that what he says here is that such sins are not a serious obstacle to perfection. Such sins are generally small, and (as stated) quickly atoned for.
Often times such sins are things that result from bad habits that we are trying to overcome...for instance someone trying to stop cussing will slip up from time to time...immediately catch and admonish themselves.
Other sins of this type are of the "mental" variety...Where one think of something sinful - deliberates on it a bit and then repents and dismisses the thought.
In all cases the sins are quickly recognized and repented - grace is instilled and one can grow stronger.


I'm afraid I can't help much with the difference between "semi-deliberate" and "indeliberate" sin.

For myself the greater goal (and challenge) is to build up Love so that any and all sinful tendencies are weakened to the point of impotence.

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When is a sin "semi-deliberate" and when is a sin "indeliberate"?
semi-deliberate It is kind of fun to see the glass crush and to hear the crushing sound. If I throw my ball toward the window, the window may or may not break. So I am going to throw my ball toward the window and see.

Indeliberate I am playing the ball and having fun, unfortunately the ball hit the window and break the window.

In either case, there is the same consequence, the broken window. In either case, the amendment has to be done, the debt has to be paid.
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When is a sin "semi-deliberate" and when is a sin "indeliberate"?

Alot of explanations I read from theologians make the two sound like the same thing..
Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange believes that these kinds of sins are NOT a serious obstacle to perfection.

A sin that is semi-deliberate I believe is one that is not done with all of one's will, like when a person does something out of habit without thinking, rather than with premeditation. God bless you.
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