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Old Aug 24, '13, 5:50 pm
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Unhappy Syria: Cameron and Obama agree to military strike over chemical weapons

The US president sealed the deal in a 40-minute phone call to the Prime Minister at his holiday retreat in Cornwall...


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Didn't this already happen with Iraq? America has amnesia. Those who thought that Obama would be against war sure were fooled. Where are the anti-war protesters who used to protest the Iraq war every day in front of the White House during the Bush admin? It's plain to see that they were frauds since almost all of them now support any war waged by Obama. And on top of it, we already know that the Syrian "rebels" are terrorists who behead Christians. But Obama chooses to help these terrorists take over Syria.
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Old Aug 24, '13, 6:28 pm
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Didn't this already happen with Iraq? America has amnesia. Those who thought that Obama would be against war sure were fooled. Where are the anti-war protesters who used to protest the Iraq war every day in front of the White House during the Bush admin? It's plain to see that they were frauds since almost all of them now support any war waged by Obama. And on top of it, we already know that the Syrian "rebels" are terrorists who behead Christians. Yet this is the side that Obama chooses to help.
Yep, the Western-backed Syrian Rebels are not only guilty of torturing and murdering Catholics (like Father Francois Murad) but they are also guilty of the mass-murder of Syrians (mosty women and children) which they then blame on Assad with the complicity of the American Media. Obama and every other American who supports these Syrian Rebrls in any way are also complicit in the demonic Mass Murder that is taking place in Syria.

Once again it looks like we will witness another unconstitutional, unjust and unnecessary war. I wonder when the American Military is going to get sick of being used as a private mercenary force for the international corporate elite? "Just following orders" ain't an excuse. General Dempsey and others in the military know that the Congress and the President have been compromised by foreign interests but sadly they also know that there isn't much that can be done at this point. They (and we) are along for the ride.

In related developments:

The Vatican has cautioned against jumping to conclusions without facts regarding the latest chemical attack in Syria http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/vat...-without-facts

Syria has responded to the imminent, threatened American attack by saying that any such attack will have dangerous consequences. "A mass of flames will ignite the Middle East," said Syria's Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi, and added that attack on its country will not aid in any way. Regarding the use of chemical weapons, the minister said that "the use of the Syrian opposition's of chemical weapons shows their incompetence and confusion." According to him, the regime has proof that the rebels made use of chemical weapons. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...421631,00.html
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Didn't this already happen with Iraq? America has amnesia. Those who thought that Obama would be against war sure were fooled. Where are the anti-war protesters who used to protest the Iraq war every day in front of the White House during the Bush admin? It's plain to see that they were frauds since almost all of them now support any war waged by Obama.
This is true. I remember debates among some leftists when the intervention in Libya happened. Some stood by what they had said under Bush: civilian casualties were unjustifiable, the motive was imperialism, etc. Others changed their tune: the state could be an agent in revolutionary change, etc.
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Old Aug 24, '13, 6:51 pm
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It can't be that hard to trace the origin of the chemicals used and to determine the capability of rebels vs the government to manufacture them. Their use is a crime that cries out to God for vengeance. War should be avoided if at all possible - that doesn't mean tyrants should have free reign. Reagan, I admire very much for having understood the difference between short swift kicks in the you-know-where of the bad guys vs getting bogged down in prolonged 'unwinnable' wars.
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It's déjà vu all over again and my guess is our military will be used to bomb Syria. American Catholics will once again break out with yellow ribbons and "support the troops" rallies whether or not the war is just according to the Holy Father. They will make the excuse that the morality of war is up to the prudential judgment of the elected officials and we like good little sheep must obey and support our military. America after all is exceptional and has been set apart to do God's work on earth. Anyone who says anything negative about the war will be considered traitors.

The heresy of Americanism will reer its ugly head again.
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It's déjà vu all over again and my guess is our military will be used to bomb Syria. American Catholics will once again break out with yellow ribbons and "support the troops" rallies whether or not the war is just according to the Holy Father. They will make the excuse that the morality of war is up to the prudential judgment of the elected officials and we like good little sheep must obey and support our military. America after all is exceptional and has been set apart to do God's work on earth. Anyone who says anything negative about the war will be considered traitors.

The heresy of Americanism will reer its ugly head again.
Americanism? How about plain old human compassion? Did you see the images of those dead children, limbs frozen in mid-air? Do you really think they'd care about the nationality of whoever could have prevented their torture? I'm thinking it should take scientists no great amount of time to figure out who is capable of making the weapons responsible. I have no desire to live in a world where these kids brothers and sisters grow up hating everybody for doing NADA. Yes, there are many sides in this conflict and many who suffer innocently, but there is such a thing as going too far.
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FOX News still quoting Obama as saying more facts are needed http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...agel-suggests/ If anyone can face down America on this Frankenstein's monster course of aggression it's pursuing it's Vladimir Putin. I pray he's up to it.
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Americanism? How about plain old human compassion? Did you see the images of those dead children, limbs frozen in mid-air? Do you really think they'd care about the nationality of whoever could have prevented their torture? I'm thinking it should take scientists no great amount of time to figure out who is capable of making the weapons responsible. I have no desire to live in a world where these kids brothers and sisters grow up hating everybody for doing NADA. Yes, there are many sides in this conflict and many who suffer innocently, but there is such a thing as going too far.
America is arming and funding these "Syrian Rebels" who are controlled by al-Qaeda. The United States is officially a state-sponsor of Terrorism. These terrorist "Syrian Rebels" are neither Syrian nor rebels. They are some of the most demonic, dangerous butchers on the planet. Before they were in Syria they were in Libya. They took the road to Damascus, but not to convert. These terrorist "Syrian Rebels" (and their enablers in Congress, the American Media, and within the American Populace) have innocent Syrian blood on their hands, mostly of women and children, and mostly Christian. These terrorist "Syrian Rebels" were behind all the massacres (Daraa, Homs, Houla, Tremesh, etc.) that were originally, falsely blamed on Assad. The "Syrian Rebels" had more to gain from this latest chemical attack than Assad who is actually supported by a majority of real Syrians.
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Hey. Defense contractors have been on the phone with Obama ever since this Syria thing started. "Mr. President? Look, we're sittin' onna lotta inventory and we got kids tuh put thru college. Know what I'm sayin'?" And "Look, Mr. President, if we don't move some inventory soon, I gotta lay off some guys and I start losin' money. Ya know what I'm sayin'?"

The landscape has been changed in Libya, Egypt, and Iraq, and Syria is next, to be followed by Iran.


Pretty simple, actually.



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I honestly do not know what should be done. I just hope whatever they do, they are extremely cautious in moving forward.
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So, just like Americans and Brits have given Russia a lot of grief for the past several weeks, maybe we should all start a campaign to boycott any American or British event then!
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Didn't this already happen with Iraq? America has amnesia. Those who thought that Obama would be against war sure were fooled. Where are the anti-war protesters who used to protest the Iraq war every day in front of the White House during the Bush admin? It's plain to see that they were frauds since almost all of them now support any war waged by Obama. And on top of it, we already know that the Syrian "rebels" are terrorists who behead Christians. But Obama chooses to help these terrorists take over Syria.
Syria is rather different than Iraq, as are the reasons for intervening. As for Obama helping terrorists take over Syria, I hope you aren't labeling every Syrian who is tired of being under an oppressive regime a terrorist. The terrorists in Syria have such a presence because the Syrian regime has already either destroyed or imprisoned all the non-extremist opposition groups.
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I'm like the last poster who doesn't know what to do. I don't know who's right and the government and the media are the last to tell us the truth. I'm talking about ALL the media!

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It's déjà vu all over again and my guess is our military will be used to bomb Syria. American Catholics will once again break out with yellow ribbons and "support the troops" rallies whether or not the war is just according to the Holy Father. They will make the excuse that the morality of war is up to the prudential judgment of the elected officials and we like good little sheep must obey and support our military. America after all is exceptional and has been set apart to do God's work on earth. Anyone who says anything negative about the war will be considered traitors.

The heresy of Americanism will reer its ugly head again.
I seem to remember seeing news stories almost daily about protests against the wars and elected officials making some rather negative statements about the war while I was eating chow in the DFAC on our FOB. What I don't seem to remember is anyone being considered, let alone called, a traitor for this.
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