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Old Sep 11, '13, 6:01 pm
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Default Pope: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

Pope Francis assures sceptics: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8810062.html

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

So, there you go. We can shut down this forum now.
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Old Sep 11, '13, 6:23 pm
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Default Re: Pope: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

That is SO cute, listening to a snippet quote from the internet.
(I hope you're not being serious)

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING,
I hope this link will provide at least a little more:
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
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If a persons faith was held captive by Catholic dogma (they were taught they must believe certain catholic doctrines or they would go to hell), but then their captivator (the Pope) set them free (you no longer must believe certain catholic doctrines to avoid hell), couldn't people still 'choose' to believe those very same Catholic doctrines as an act of freedom of will? Of course they could! So you seem to imply that without 'fear' as a motivator to faith there wouldn't be enough Catholics around to even have this wonderful forum that we all love and enjoy! - I hope the faith of Catholics is stronger than that!
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Old Sep 11, '13, 6:26 pm
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Default Re: Pope: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven

So Christ wasn't and isn't needed then.
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Old Sep 11, '13, 7:11 pm
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So why believe in Christ? Was Christ a liar when He said that He was the only way to the Father?
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Old Sep 11, '13, 7:18 pm
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If you read the Pope's letter that this article was based on, then you'll see that the Pope's words were taken out of context...just for sensationalism, in my view.

Reminds me of the hysteria around his comments on homosexuals a few months back...totally irresponsible reporting.

But, the damage has been done, and protestants are gonna be up in arms.

Again - read his letter

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Is anyone reading the actual interview?
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If a persons faith was held captive by Catholic dogma (they were taught they must believe certain catholic doctrines or they would go to hell), but then their captivator (the Pope) set them free (you no longer must believe certain catholic doctrines to avoid hell), couldn't people still 'choose' to believe those very same Catholic doctrines as an act of freedom of will? Of course they could! So you seem to imply that without 'fear' as a motivator to faith there wouldn't be enough Catholics around to even have this wonderful forum that we all love and enjoy! - I hope the faith of Catholics is stronger than that!
Interesting question, and well said!

This pope is really something.

fyi, there's another thread on this very same topic...

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Is anyone reading the actual interview?

Thank you agnes therese

Apparently most are not...just taking the headlines as fact.

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If you read the Pope's letter that this article was based on, then you'll see that the Pope's words were taken out of context...just for sensationalism, in my view.

Reminds me of the hysteria around his comments on homosexuals a few months back...totally irresponsible reporting.

But, the damage has been done, and protestants are gonna be up in arms.

Again - read his letter

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So Christ wasn't and isn't needed then.
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So why believe in Christ? Was Christ a liar when He said that He was the only way to the Father?
If they end up getting to heaven, it would only be because of Christ. There is no other way. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
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if they end up getting to heaven, it would only be because of christ. There is no other way. He is the way, the truth, and the life.
yes yes yes !!!
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"cases despaired over."

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That is SO cute, listening to a snippet quote from the internet.
(I hope you're not being serious)

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING,
I hope this link will provide at least a little more:
http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

Your link is from an interview in May, fyi.
The OP is talking about a more current letter--an update to the topic--that the pope wrote and was published today/yesterday in which he answered three questions for the editor of the newspaper.

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Pope Francis assures sceptics: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8810062.html

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

So, there you go. We can shut down this forum now.
Others have noted that the statement by the Pope is taken out of context. However, this is essentially what Judaism has said all along: one need not be Jewish to partake of the World to Come. The most important thing for us all is to lead a good life in the service of others, and G-d's mercy is infinite if one repents (or even if one does not).
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So why believe in Christ? Was Christ a liar when He said that He was the only way to the Father?
While the focus of Christianity is the afterlife, Jesus also taught people how to live a moral life in the here and now.
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