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Old Sep 30, '13, 6:22 am
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Has anyone read this and if so, could we get a quick review? Is it antithetical to Catholic teaching?
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Let me start off by admitting, no I haven't read it, and by adding that I will never read it...but I haven't read any pornographic novels, including 50 shades of gray, and I am still quite comfortable that I can speak against them despite not reading them.

And let me add, right up front, that neither am I a fan of Mr. o'Rielly.

With those disclaimers, and having only heard his 60Minutes interview about the book, here is my objections:

He claims it is not a book on the religion associated with Christ, but only a history.

I'm sorry, but my faith tells me that try as we may, the divinity of our savior cannot be separated from his humanity, the Church, centuries ago codified Christ having two natures, human and divine.

And, his claim that writing the book was an inspiration by the Holy Spirit (a claim he made several times in the 60 minutes interview) on several levels does not ring true in my heart or mind.

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When I listened to him make the claim that this book was written because the Holy Spirit intervened, I fell out of my recliner and laughed so hard that I lost breath! Some human beings have very high opinions of themselves!!
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It sounds like nobody that has post has read the book or is a fan, of any kind, of Bill O'Reilly.
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Old Sep 30, '13, 11:16 am
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Has anyone read this and if so, could we get a quick review? Is it antithetical to Catholic teaching?
I have not read it, but Mr. O'Reilly has made it quite clear that this book is an historical, and only historical account of the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. It makes no religious claims whatsoever, it is not that kind of book. There is no religious teaching, only verified historical facts, if the facts could not be verified, then they were not included in the book, even if tradition says something different. His other two books are quite good and I am looking forward to reading this one too, but I am reading it because it is a history book not a catechism.
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So you haven't read it?
Doesn't sound like anyone has read it yet.

But it doesn't seem to stop people from telling what an awful book it is.
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Doesn't sound like anyone has read it yet.

But it doesn't seem to stop people from telling what an awful book it is.


I haven't seen that anyone has stated "what an awful book it is." What I HAVE seen is that a number of people - myself included - have questioned Mr. O'Reilly's credentials, motivation, and historical research track record regarding this endeavor.
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And, his claim that writing the book was an inspiration by the Holy Spirit (a claim he made several times in the 60 minutes interview) on several levels does not ring true in my heart or mind.

He mentioned that in the Today interview.
Probably throwing a bone to the evangelicals.
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He mentioned that in the Today interview.
Probably throwing a bone to the evangelicals.
From what I have heard of Evargelical reaction to the book, I had thought I was on one of their boards. Oh by the way, Bill O'Reilly says that he is Catholic.
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Isn't there a big difference in saying, God told me to... vs I was inspired by the Holy Spirit? I'm not saying that O'Rielly was inspired, but I don't believe it to be improbable. Are we not to discern the Holy Spirit in everything we do? I haven't read the book nor did I watch the interview, but couldn't historical facts about Jesus help lead someone to Christ? Maybe he's just trying to sell a book, but isn't it possible O'Rielly prayed and asked God for guidance and felt this desire? Who knows if he discerned correctly or not; I always wonder if I discern the Holy Spirit's will for me correctly.

I just think we need to be careful in our making light of the Holy Spirit's working in ours and other's lives.
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I'm reading it right now. So far it is no great work of literature but it is ok. He is quite clear that he is not writing a religious book and I appreciate him trying a new format.
I think it is much like Our current Pope. He is starting a dialouge with a world that does not believe. I have had many people actually assert that there was no such thing as Jesus. That he was made up. I think using historical citations to build a "fictional" story could have a beneficial effect. Sometimes you just have to start small. "there was a man named Jesus, this is what he said, this is what the powers that be did, this is what the world was like." My wife ( the smartest person I know)( usually) asked me if they had a concept of time of day back then. People are so far removed from actual history that I think books like this can help.
It also combats the notion that Jesus did not claim he was God and was just a nice hippie killed by the corporate interests of the time. So far the book is portraying a believable storyline.

My favorite part so far was after describing all the evils of Herod executing the newborns he goes on to describe how a disease has eaten away his testicles. I have no idea if that is historical or accurate but it made me laugh.

What I have gotten out of it so far was how the Romans were so callous about human life. And I think there is a direct parallel to today. Especially with the murder of infants in the womb.
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I am enjoying the book still. It is different and a retelling of a good story. Something hollywood is fond of these days.
I find it odd that so many either hate Bill, or his politics and freak out about a book like this without even reading it. It is good to know that many of you are such adept writers and historians. One wonders if I have read many of your books.

I also envy those who dismiss this book on the grounds that they do not like Bill or that he is misrepresenting the faith. ( He may well do this.) Perhaps you can all help me find TV shows, movies and books that are not antiCatholic. Since that is the criteria you all seem to have. I can't imagine not reading Twain, Hemingway, or others based on their political or religious views.

Before you all jump to the idea that O'reilly is some sort of Hemingway or Twain, or Hugo, or Lewis, Or Tolkien, please recognize that I know that these books and many books in the modern era are sad, sad works in comparison. We live in a time where more people read the Harry Potter Novels than the Bible and think it is some great work.

If you don't like Bill, fine. Few do. Even I can only stand so much of his personality and rhetoric. But spare me the idea that it is because of some moral stand you are taking about a guy who is at odds with the faith sometimes. Think about all the other things you watch and read.
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And still you condemn his book without even reading it. Got'cha
Do I need to read Bishop Spong's books to know that they're tripe? No. People like him and O'Reilly make their views explicitly clear through other mediums. A few quotes from Mr. O'Reilly:

"I’m writing a book, ‘Killing Jesus,’ about why Jesus of Nazareth was executed. It’s a history book. But obviously, the Gospels that discuss this were involved with that. But there are some contradictions among Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And then it’s my job and Martin Dugard, my co-author, to cut through the contradictions and to try to give a narrative of what actually happened to Jesus, because he was executed."

Norah O'Donnell: What did you find that you think people will be surprised to learn about Jesus?

Bill O'Reilly: That he was a regular guy; very afraid. Very afraid.

Norah O'Donnell: What do you mean very afraid?

Bill O'Reilly: Scared to die. Scared to be put on a cross. And that he got angry and that he was a little violent and that he was a man.

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Bill O'Reilly: Absolutely. He was, he was upset that the Jews were taxing, overtaxing, and extorting the folks.

Norah O'Donnell: And that story is important to tell because it explains why so many people wanted him dead?

Bill O'Reilly: That's the crux of the "Killing Jesus" theme, is that there was a reason he was executed. Not that he was saying he was God. Droves of people said they were God. But now when you interrupt a money flow -- now you're into territory where they gotta get rid of him.


And O'Reilly says there was usually a seat on the cross, but soldiers took it off this time because they wanted Jesus to die faster.

Bill O'Reilly: [b]They didn't want the folks seeing him on there. They thought there was going to be big trouble if they saw him there. So they wanted to kill him and outta there.[b]

Norah O'Donnell: You include two quotes from Jesus on the cross, but not the most famous one: "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Why not?

Bill O'Reilly: We don't put in things that we don't think happened.

Norah O'Donnell: How do you know?

Bill O'Reilly: Because you couldn't say something like that, audibly that people would hear. He, you die on a cross from being suffocated. That your lungs can't take in anymore air. You can hardly breathe. We believe Jesus said that, but we don't believe he said it on the cross, 'cause nobody could've heard it.

Norah O'Donnell: But, Bill, you know what people are going to say. "The Bible says that Jesus said on the cross, 'Father forgive them,' but Bill O'Reilly says that's not true, so I should believe Bill?"

Bill O'Reilly: Well you believe what you want. If you want to take the Bible literally, then that's your right to do that.


Pay particularly close attention to this one:

Norah O'Donnell: But you use as your sources for this book the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. But you pick and choose.

Bill O'Reilly: Right, but that's not our only source. I mean, we use Muslim sources, we use Roman sources, we use Jewish sources.


Islam did not exist for centuries after Christ's death. Why would you use Muslim sources, which are separated by a gaping chasm of both time and culture from the event you're writing about?

Again, it's painfully obvious that O'Reilly and Dugard, neither of whom are professional historians, utilize a method of historical research that is laughable. So, yes, I will disparage Mr. O'Reilly's book without reading it, because he's already shown his ignorance more than enough. He makes it quite obvious he's done two things: stripped Christ of his divinity while simultaneously politicizing him, and all in contradiction of the most reliable sources of Christ's life we have. Writing a book about Christ without reference to God is bound to be inaccurate, because his divinity (whether real or perceived) is inextricably linked to his identity. Period.

Stephen Colbert made this last point very well when he said, criticizing O'Reilly, (paraphrased) "Walking on water? Multiplying loaves and fish? No problem. But speaking loud enough to be heard? Now you're on Bill's territory."
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Do I need to read Bishop Spong's books to know that they're tripe? No. People like him and O'Reilly make their views explicitly clear through other mediums.
I watched O'Reilly long enough to know that he is a bone head. Still, it is a poor exercise of one's intellectual acumen to criticize or dismiss something without even reading it. Think of the many who criticize the Church without having a working knowledge of what they criticize.

If you want to pan O'Reilly's book, then fine but at least read it first.
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I am disappointed to here so many critics of o'reilly and this book killing jesus.

I have not read any of his other books - including killing Lincoln, or killing kennedy, but I did see the movie on one of the cable channels based on his book killing Lincoln and the movie was very good and well made. I am thinking since this November will be the 50th anniversary of the assassination of kennedy that there will also be a movie on tv based on o'reilly's book killing kennedy.

I was planning in reading killing Lincoln, killing kennedy, and killing jesus when they came out in paperback. now I don't know if I will.

I would love to read benedict xvi's books on jesus as well and they would probably be worth more of my time to read.
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