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Old Oct 7, '13, 5:16 am
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Why is the Birthday of the Son of God so hard to find. The first attemp was how our calander came to be. In my St. Joseph Catholic Bible the time line in the front says that Jesus was born somewhere between 6 and 7 BC . ?

Looking on line I found one group who said that in looking at clues in the Bible about Stars possision and historical evidence, they believe Jesus was born "September 11 three BC.

What is the best evidence that Catholic Scholars have now on this very important date ?
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Old Oct 7, '13, 7:53 am
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Why is it a "very important date"? We know that Jesus was born, we know approximately when because of citations of other events around the same time. It doesn't make any difference to our faith whether it was December 25 or May or July or September.
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Why is it a "very important date"? We know that Jesus was born, we know approximately when because of citations of other events around the same time. It doesn't make any difference to our faith whether it was December 25 or May or July or September.
Amen to that seagal.
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Old Oct 7, '13, 9:26 am
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The reckless indifference that so many people approach Church History and the preperation in reading and understanding the Truth as found in discovering a relationship with God in receiving the Spirit of God makes me wonder if they would except Jesus today any more than they did 2000 years ago. Yes it makes a difference wether we know the real Jesus or a counterfeit. Jesus even said that another would come and he the world would except.

Setting a calendar in place as to honor the time of Jesus that would give Glory to God the Father by honoring his Son's arrival onto our world needs evidence of a Holy Spirit guiding the task yet what is seen is a half hearted effort and now hundreds of years later , no admittance of error and more of the same disrespect to the Truth of the Light of the World who is the owner of this world and all who dwell their in.
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The Christmas time date was set against the fall equinox festivals and Janus festivals taking place at the time.

The birth of Christ if calculated correctly is around mid-March to April 1st.
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Old Oct 7, '13, 9:53 am
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I've understood that the differences in calendars back then causes the confusion as to the actual Date of the birth of Christ. But -- as a poster has already commented -- does the actual Date really Matter? The FACT of His virgin birth IS the most important Event. Some have said that If we knew the Exact date -- we'd be tempted to worship the Date Rather than the Event. Others have said that Scripture doesn't Require a person to celebrate Christmas so we don't need to. But we aren't told to celebrate yearly birthdays or anniversaries or mother's day or father's day, either. But we Do.
So My comment has been -- I Choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus Because He's come to this world to point us to the Father. That He's the Son of God. He came to Be the Perfect Lamb of God who died for the sin of mankind and rose again after three days -- which is why we also celebrate Easter. We can have fellowship With the Father Through His Son, Jesus Christ. His shed blood made that possible.
If someone decided to change Christmas to July 14 instead of December 25 what would I do? If would depend on WHY the date is being changed. More than likely the situation would be that celebrating Christmas would be Outlawed. I would Continue to celebrate Christmas Anyway.
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Yes it makes a difference wether we know the real Jesus or a counterfeit. Jesus even said that another would come and he the world would except.
We know the real Jesus came into the world, not because of his birthdate but because of the testament to the works he did while he was here. The prophecies that foretold his coming did not mention a specific date; they mentioned other signs by which we would know him.

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Setting a calendar in place as to honor the time of Jesus that would give Glory to God the Father by honoring his Son's arrival onto our world
If God the Father expected us to remember the exact date, he would have made sure it was recorded somehow by somebody at the time. It's not necessary that we remember the exact date as long as we do honour Jesus, and through him his father.

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needs evidence of a Holy Spirit guiding the task yet what is seen is a half hearted effort and now hundreds of years later , no admittance of error and more of the same disrespect to the Truth of the Light of the World who is the owner of this world and all who dwell their in.
The Holy Spirit obviously didn't see fit to give us that knowledge. I see no disrespect in failing to acknowledge something that we have no way of knowing for a certainty.
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The Christmas time date was set against the fall equinox festivals and Janus festivals taking place at the time.

The birth of Christ if calculated correctly is around mid-March to April 1st.
If calcualted correctly??? That made me laugh because everyone who has a theory presents it as the correct reasoning.

Many years ago I read an article in the Knights of Columbus magazine that presented eveidence that the birth of Jesus could well have been in December. This article presents reasons why December is possible.

If it had been important to know exactly when Jesus was born we would have that information. It isn't that is why we don't.
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Old Oct 7, '13, 12:26 pm
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I imagine in those days they didn't have good birth records for peasants, laborers, and such, who themselves were either illiterate or didn't have the means to write and preserve birth records. Is it possible that no one ever knew the date? Or perhaps someone recorded it, for example the Magi, but the records were lost?

Edit: Come to think of it, there was a census at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:1-7). I don't know if anything remains of that census.
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Old Oct 7, '13, 12:28 pm
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The reckless indifference that so many people approach Church History and the preperation in reading and understanding the Truth as found in discovering a relationship with God in receiving the Spirit of God makes me wonder if they would except Jesus today any more than they did 2000 years ago. Yes it makes a difference wether we know the real Jesus or a counterfeit. Jesus even said that another would come and he the world would except.

Setting a calendar in place as to honor the time of Jesus that would give Glory to God the Father by honoring his Son's arrival onto our world needs evidence of a Holy Spirit guiding the task yet what is seen is a half hearted effort and now hundreds of years later , no admittance of error and more of the same disrespect to the Truth of the Light of the World who is the owner of this world and all who dwell their in.
Perhaps it is reckless for you to believe that we are merely celebrating the birth of Jesus some 2000 years ago when we celebrate Christmas - and that why you think knowing the 'real day and year' is so important to mankind ...

The world did not anticipate this birth then - as one would the birth of a child today - like they did the potential future King of England recently - knowing that it is coming, nor as a parent would - seeing their child via ultrasounds, etc ...

We are challenged during Advent to prepare ourselves for the coming of Christ - not His coming 2000 years ago but His next coming ...we do this by reflecting upon His first coming, the world He arrived in, and are we ready?, will we know Him for Who He is? - and will we respond as God desires is? .. Hence the reason the season is penitential ...we are to turn away from sin and prepare our hearts for Jesus.

St. Francis initiated more focus on the infant Jesus more then 1000 years after Christ came .. but traditionally during the time of year when the world is darkest - the Church celebrated the entry of Christ - the Light - into the world -with a focus on His next coming - which was one reason why the Church began to celebrate Christ's Mass during December [the Church could have chosen any other Christian celebration feast to combat the pagan celebrations that occur during this time of year].

It is Christ's Advent into our lives and into the world at the end of times that are important .... culminating in a celebration at the actual coming of our King ... He has not returned yet - He came once - He will come again ... That is whats important ... not the date on the calendar.

And I wager - if we knew the actual date - not one person would decide that Christ is God and become a Christian ... not all of the people who saw Jesus raise the dead - in person - followed him. Not everyone who witnessed His other miracles believed either .. why would knowing a mere date on a calendar make a difference to people today?
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The Christmas time date was set against the fall equinox festivals and Janus festivals taking place at the time.

The birth of Christ if calculated correctly is around mid-March to April 1st.
Pope Benedict XVI: December 25 as the Historical Date of the Christ’s Birth

Was Jesus Really Born on Dec 25? Yes – A Biblical Argument for the Birth of Christ in Late December

December 25 is the Historical Birthday of Christ: Mary and Tradition
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Old Oct 15, '13, 6:53 pm
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Jesus at age twelve was ask by His Mother, why He stayed behind after the Passover feast?

Mary and Joseph had been looking for three days and had been troubled by not knowing where Jesus was.

Jesus answer to why He stayed behind is that he must be about His Father's House!
He was expressing His passing from childhood to being a man and performing a man's work.

Now if you understand that in context with his answer to when He would return knowing how long ago he was 12 is key.

He said "For as it was in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the Son of man be"
When it is said in the Bible "and thus where the days of Noah" This was 2006 year into the history from Adam's creation till the death of Noah.

Now if you use our calander to see how long Jesus it has been from the time Jesus began to express His Manhood at age 12 it would appear to be a little more than 2001 years and if you add 3 as a calander correction, on Passover 2015 April the 4th it would be 2006 years from the first coming forth and proclaiming of Jesus Manhood.
Yet some truly seeing a man fullfilling His Manhood when He takes His Bride!
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Old Oct 20, '13, 5:57 pm
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It must be my age that often the reason why a question is ask gets so easily sidetracked. The thing that is of interest is the source of any current books or writtings of Catholic historians on the determinations of Jesus Birth and all pertinent information as to how such a date would be determined from all historical information and the Bible.
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