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Old Nov 21, '13, 6:50 am
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I would like to know what are the similarities between Catholicism and Orthodoxy..
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I would like to know what are the similarities between Catholicism and Orthodoxy..
Since we agree on so much, it might be easier to list the few things we disagree on. For example:

Pope is head of the Church. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Filioque. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Married clergy. Catholics, mostly no. Orthodox, mostly yes.
Bread used at mass. Catholics, unleavened. Orthodox, leavened.
Date of Easter.
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I would like to know what are the similarities between Catholicism and Orthodoxy..
Pretty much everything. There's little that we differ, and I dare to argue that this East-West schism may end before it completes 1000 years in 2054. We have our theological differences, but it's nothing out of this world

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Pope is head of the Church. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Filioque. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Married clergy. Catholics, mostly no. Orthodox, mostly yes.
Bread used at mass. Catholics, unleavened. Orthodox, leavened.
Date of Easter.
Let's not forget of our two additional Marian dogmas.
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Old Nov 21, '13, 9:25 am
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Pretty much everything. There's little that we differ, and I dare to argue that this East-West schism may end before it completes 1000 years in 2054. We have our theological differences, but it's nothing out of this world
Wouldn't that reunion be wonderful?!! Lets pray for it often!
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Old Nov 21, '13, 10:02 am
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Since we agree on so much, it might be easier to list the few things we disagree on. For example:

Pope is head of the Church. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Filioque. Catholics, yes. Orthodox, no.
Married clergy. Catholics, mostly no. Orthodox, mostly yes.
Bread used at mass. Catholics, unleavened. Orthodox, leavened.
Date of Easter.
Some of those distinctions are East-West differences rather than Catholic-Orthodox.

Your first example and to some degree your second one are real differences between Catholic and Orthodox.

Additionally there are the ecumenical councils after the first seven and dogmas defined by the Papacy like the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, all of which Catholics accept (or ought to) and Orthodox do not, at least as formally defined dogmas. There are a number of other issues too. For example, the Catholic Church regards sacramental marriage as indissoluble whereas the Orthodox do not, permitting divorce and remarriage between baptized people. The Catholic Church as a firm and consistent position against artificial contraception; the Orthodox Church does not. The Orthodox Church gives the sacrament of chrismation (confirmation) to converts from Catholicism; the Catholic Church does not re-confirm converts from the Orthodox Church. The Catholic Church has dogmatically defined divine simplicity; the Orthodox Church has promoted teachings that can be interpreted as contradicting divine simplicity. The Catholic Church believes in Original Sin; the Orthodox Church rejects this teaching. The list could go on.
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The whole question of the Atonement and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ to avert the wrath of God on men for their sins.

They pretend to agree on a lot but if they disagree on the fundamental nature of what Jesus's mission actually was, then it's obviously a big chasm between the two.
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The whole question of the Atonement and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ to avert the wrath of God on men for their sins.

They pretend to agree on a lot but if they disagree on the fundamental nature of what Jesus's mission actually was, then it's obviously a big chasm between the two.
Not necessarily true... And that question can be easily put to bed if the Churches call an Ecunemical Council on the matter. And it's big no heresy to be on one side or the other...
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From the address given by Patriarch Bartholomew at Georgetown University in October 1997
Assuredly our problem is neither geographical nor one of personal alienation. Neither is it a problem of organizational structures, nor jurisdictional arrangements. Neither is it a problem of external submission, nor absorption of individuals and groups. It is something deeper and more substantive. The manner in which we exist has become ontologically different. Unless our ontological transfiguration and transformation toward one common model of life is achieved, not only in form but also in substance, unity and its accompanying realization become impossible.
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From the address given by Patriarch Bartholomew at Georgetown University in October 1997
Assuredly our problem is neither geographical nor one of personal alienation. Neither is it a problem of organizational structures, nor jurisdictional arrangements. Neither is it a problem of external submission, nor absorption of individuals and groups. It is something deeper and more substantive. The manner in which we exist has become ontologically different. Unless our ontological transfiguration and transformation toward one common model of life is achieved, not only in form but also in substance, unity and its accompanying realization become impossible.
This is the Orthodox position. The Catholic position, on the other hand, is that we are indeed very similar - so much so that we invite individual Orthodox Christians, who are properly disposed, to receive from our Eucharistic table. Within the Catholic communion, the Latin, Byzantine, Syriac, etc traditions all co-exist in harmony. Obviously the Orthodox disagree, but Catholics tend to believe that most of our differences can be reconciled and are simply diffrent expressions of the same underlining Truth. Some Orthodox Christians seem to accept this position more so than others.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

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838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."
You are free to believe that we are ontologically different or that Catholics have departed from the orthodox faith handed down to the saints...but you won't convince us...as far as we Catholics are concerned you are already catholic Christians, and fundamentally orthodox, who receive the same Lord in the eucharistic sacrifice - but are simply in an imperfect communion with the Catholic Church.
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The catholic church has one liturgy calendar in 3 cycles so the entire gospel is covered over a period of 3 years. Is this the same for orthodox churches?
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The catholic church has one liturgy calendar in 3 cycles so the entire gospel is covered over a period of 3 years. Is this the same for orthodox churches?
This is only true of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, which has only been used in the Catholic Church since 1969. The older form of the Roman Rite, the Extraordinary Form or Tridentine Latin Mass, has a one year cycle. This is also true of all the Eastern / Oriental Rites, as far as I am aware, including the Byzantine Rite which is shared by Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
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And it's big no heresy to be on one side or the other...
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From the address given by Patriarch Bartholomew at Georgetown University in October 1997
Assuredly our problem is neither geographical nor one of personal alienation. Neither is it a problem of organizational structures, nor jurisdictional arrangements. Neither is it a problem of external submission, nor absorption of individuals and groups. It is something deeper and more substantive. The manner in which we exist has become ontologically different. Unless our ontological transfiguration and transformation toward one common model of life is achieved, not only in form but also in substance, unity and its accompanying realization become impossible.
I went to a dictionary and to Wiki to try to get an understanding of what it means for you t be "ontologically different". I still don't get it.

Can you explain what this means using simple words?
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The whole question of the Atonement and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ to avert the wrath of God on men for their sins.

They pretend to agree on a lot but if they disagree on the fundamental nature of what Jesus's mission actually was, then it's obviously a big chasm between the two.
In the West, and particularly among Protestants, atonement has come to mean appeasing an angry God. This we certainly do reject. Atonement itself, that Christ died so that our sins could be forgiven through him, is taught by the Fathers. Emphasis in the East, however, is on Christ's victory over death, granting us freedom. The two ideas, properly taken, compliment each other rather than contradict each other.
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This is only true of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, which has only been used in the Catholic Church since 1969. The older form of the Roman Rite, the Extraordinary Form or Tridentine Latin Mass, has a one year cycle. This is also true of all the Eastern / Oriental Rites, as far as I am aware, including the Byzantine Rite which is shared by Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
Yes, we have a one year cycle.
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