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Old Jul 26, '04, 12:55 pm
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I assume this is a anti-Catholic organization. What have you heard?
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Old Jul 26, '04, 1:06 pm
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Default Re: Campus Crusade For Christ

One, I object to the inclusion of the term crusade. That's a Catholic word and I want it back.

Other than that I see nothing on their website that is rabidly anti-catholic. However, the case would be made that if they were entirely in line with Catholic theology they would BE Catholic.
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Old Jul 26, '04, 1:10 pm
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http://dawgnet.butler.edu/archive/030417/1305.html

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Crusade doesn’t list a single Catholic church on its list of suggested churches to attend.

Leaders have sometimes expressed shock when learning someone is Catholic.

Then, the staff member often begins a gentle campaign to convince the student to reject Catholic teachings.
Anti-catholic? I think this is a big juicy YES.
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Campus Crusade for Christ is an Evangelical Protestant organization similar to The Navigators and InterVarsity. They have chapters on many college campuses. I've found them to be very friendly. They don't agree with many church doctrines as you might expect from "sola scriptura" protestants but they are not rabid anti-catholics from my experience.
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Old Jul 26, '04, 1:13 pm
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When I was in High School, I belonged to Campus Crusade for Christ. Several of my friends, including my best friend, were Catholic. I didn't anything see like this happening.

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Anti-catholic? I think this is a big juicy YES.
The CCFC folks are not threat if you know your faith and church history. I've found that most of the time they only know what they have been told about Catholic teaching, not what we actually believe. Trust me, its unlikely you will have to break out the big apologetic guns with these folks. You can only get in trouble if you don't know the faith. But that can happen with any protestant group, not just campus crusade.
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Old Jul 26, '04, 1:31 pm
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campus crusade (and other para-church organizations) are not anti-catholic. there might be certain staff members who are but there are other staff members who are catholic. they don't dive into doctrinal issues that separate and instead, focus on the things that unite Christians (isn't this what the pope said to do?) which is why the bishops in Colorado (where most of these organizations are based) have come out in support of these organizations. i work for one in particular (i don't want to advertise my organization here but will be happy to discuss in private with anyone) and the bishop of denver wrote a letter for our organizations use to show that we encourage Christians (especially youth) to get involved with their churches (be it pentecostal, presbyterian, or catholic). my organization actually has about 15% catholic staff and we are very similar to campus crusade. so to automatically assume because it was founded by a protestant (in this case bill bright, a wonderful man who has never taken sides for one denomination over another and is only concerned with people coming to an experience with Christ and then growing in that faith) that it is anti-catholic is dangerous and divisive. i have heard too many times in these forums that you can't judge the catholic church by it's individual members (because if that were the case the church would be in serious trouble) so i would say the same about other Christian churches and organizations. you might run into a ccfc staff who is bitter or angry with the catholic church but that is not a reflection on the organization as a whole. if you are upset that they don't have any catholic churches listed on their website, supply them with a list of churches that teach the truth (not steeped in abuses as many on these forums like to point out) and ask that they be included, then see what their response is. if it is negative, let me know and i will contact them myself.
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Trust me, its unlikely you will have to break out the big apologetic guns with these folks.
really...?

i know many catholics who love josh mcdowell's writings. he helps with campus crusade (the organization that helped him come to Christ) and he even donates all of his royalties from his books to campus crusade. i think you are selling the organization a little short as there are some brilliant minds who work for them (i know some of them personally).
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Old Jul 26, '04, 1:34 pm
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I assume this is a anti-Catholic organization. What have you heard?
hmm... the local chapter in my area used to particpate in a yearly ecumenical service that included the local Newman Center priest as a speaker...

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Old Jul 26, '04, 2:18 pm
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Twenty some years ago a college student handed me a copy of John's Gospel in a campground that changed my life in a way that 16 years of Catholic education did not.

Maybe it was just the right time? Maybe a seed planted long ago? Maybe the witness of that young man that asked me to come to a prayer service?

I hope to meet that young man again some day and thank him for bringing me to Christ.

When was the last time you gave someone the Gospel or asked them to come to church? Just Do It!!!
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Old Jul 26, '04, 2:46 pm
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Campus Crusade for Christ supplies all incoming freshman with a welcome pack that includes a BIBLE.

Oh NO! How ANTI-Catholic !!

All the **** that goes on at liberal colleges and you're debating something that is actually beneficial to incoming students.

Quote from a CCFC web site, Univ of Toledo: "Are you worried about finding Christian fellowship when you go to college? Are you looking for some positive and uplifting friendships? Look no further than the University of Toledo! Campus Crusade for Christ is an international, interdenominational, Christian organization that meets on college campuses all over the world. Here at UT, we have an exciting weekly meeting with 200-300 people, small group Bible studies, fun social events, spring break trips, summer missions trips, and much more!"

Yeah, sounds like a threat.
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... so to automatically assume because it was founded by a protestant (in this case bill bright, a wonderful man who has never taken sides for one denomination over another and is only concerned with people coming to an experience with Christ and then growing in that faith) that it is anti-catholic is dangerous and divisive.
Why don't we let Mr. Bright speak for himself. A recent article from the Catholic Educators Resource concerning the signing of the ecumenical document Catholics And Evangelicals Together quotes many anti-Catholic Evangelical leaders as criticizing Evangelical signers of the document, including Bill Bright. Bright's rationale for signing the document, however, was less than pure:

"Other endorsers have emphasized the opportunity ECT provides for presenting the Gospel to Catholics. Commenting on his meeting with his evangelical detractors, Bill Bright wrote to his supporters that ECT “facilitated our evangelism in Catholic countries.” He argued that removing his name from the document could result in the loss of salvation for many Catholic souls: “Since the ECT Statement had already helped us reach more Catholics in other countries, the Holy Spirit brought tears to my eyes before these men [McArthur and Sproul] as I explained that repudiating the agreement would probably cause tens of millions of Catholics to not hear the gospel and to be eternally lost.”

Bright’s Campus Crusade for Christ International, in fact, has targeted Spain for mission work. One wonders if Campus Crusaders will remember ECT’s distinction between legitimate evangelization and sheep-stealing?"


This speaks for itself. To see the whole article, go to:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...cs/ap0025.html
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fidelis,

thanks for the article but i don't see your point. he said he wanted to keep his name on the article so that people in predominantly catholic countries can come to know Christ. what is wrong with this? in my experience with para-church organizations, when some one comes to know Christ, the organization leaders encourage them to attend and become more involved in their church. they don't take them to a different church unless the person doesn't already have a home church (which would not be "sheep stealing"). are you really suggesting that every person who attends a catholic church or even just lives in a "catholic" country is a Christian? that is pretty naive of you. there are many "catholics" whose faith has been sparked by an encounter with some one outside the church (there is actually a post above proving my point). also, you should probably understand that there was probably a little politiking going on as ccfc is supported by people and churches of many different denominations (which probably includes some anti-catholic people) and i think mr. bright's words in no way should offend catholics as i've heard him say the same things about presbyterians and baptists. his point is that just because some one is a member of a church doesn't mean they have a relationship with Christ. so again, i don't see the exact problem with the article you quote, but if you want to tear down an organization that is clearly blessed by God and a man who is responsible for one of the largest Christian ministries in the world (and an extremely moral and upright man to boot) then go right ahead. the best thing catholics can do is to partner with people like bill bright, maybe even join the campus crusade staff to ensure that no "sheep stealing" is going on. yes, you won't agree with everything that bill says, but that is because he is a protestant, but he would in no way deny the salvation of a devout catholic, and i promise you would agree with more than you disagree.
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i don't see the exact problem with the article you quote, but if you want to tear down an organization that is clearly blessed by God and a man who is responsible for one of the largest Christian ministries in the world (and an extremely moral and upright man to boot) then go right ahead.
Try to put the best spin on his words as you can, but I maintain they speak for themselves.
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i know many catholics who love josh mcdowell's writings. he helps with campus crusade (the organization that helped him come to Christ) and he even donates all of his royalties from his books to campus crusade. i think you are selling the organization a little short as there are some brilliant minds who work for them (i know some of them personally).
I did not mean to imply that CCC does not have brilliant people, just in my experience they are not obviously out to convert Catholics. I'm sure there are those among them that are but in general I haven't felt the need to delve into apologetics with any of the students I've met from CCC.
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