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Old Feb 20, '13, 2:39 pm
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Default Who Created God?

Who Created God?

By Matt Fradd

How should one respond to the old school boy’s retort, “if everything needs a cause, who caused God?”

Firstly, believing philosophers and theologians do not maintain that whatever exists needs a cause. Instead, they propose that certain classes of things need causes, such as things which have a beginning or things which don’t have to exist.

If something came into existence at a certain point in time—that is, if it had a beginning—then there needs to be a cause, an explanation, for why it came to be. But if something exists outside of time—like God—then it does not need an explanation for its beginning because it does not have one.

In the same way, if something doesn’t have to exist then we need an explanation for why it does exist. But if something does have to exist—if it is a necessary being like God—then it does not need a further explanation....

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Old Feb 20, '13, 3:02 pm
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Matt, I can see just how low Dawkins has sunk.

Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins
1. One of the greatest challenges to the human intellect has been to explain how the complex, improbable appearance of design in the universe arises.

2. The natural temptation is to attribute the appearance of design to actual design itself.

3. The temptation is a false one because the designer hypothesis immediately raises the larger problem of who designed the designer.

4. The most ingenious and powerful explanation is Darwinian evolution by natural selection.

5. We don’t have an equivalent explanation for physics.

6. We should not give up the hope of a better explanation arising in physics, something as powerful as Darwinism is for biology.

Therefore, God almost certainly does not exist.
Sounds like petitio principi, or "begging the question" to me. It has a vibe of we will prove God doesn't exist because we assert God doesn't exist.

Otherwise, the argument does seem to trend in the way of "Step 1: Physics. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Non-existence of God."
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Old Feb 20, '13, 8:09 pm
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Excellent writing. I loved it. In my personal life, I stopped asking the question, "Who Is God?" after reading Aristotle who implied that an imperfect person (like myself or any human being) can never hope to explain the most perfect (God) because God possesses the highest and most complete reality.
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Only that which is finite needs a cause. Science never said that everything needs a cause only that which is finite, That which came into being needs a cause. God by definition is infinite and therefore does not need a cause. So the one who asks the question is positioning the question based on a false assumption. God is an uncaused being.

If the argument is that everything needs a cause then he would have to pose an infinite series of causes and if you have an infinite series of causes over an infinite period of time then you would never have come to this moment because it would have taken an infinite number of moments in order to get here. But because now exists, there has been a finite period of time behind you in order to get here. With God it's not that everything needs a cause it's only everything that is finite that needs a cause.

everything that is Selfcaused is self defeating because something has to exist prior to you being affected. To be caused by another, that person has to exist before you and if that person is finite he or she needs to be caused as well. The only thing that remains? UNCAUSED, is that which is infinite. The definition of which is, an uncaused entity, which is God.

In addition:
1: If you take Everything or Anything Physical in this world. No matter how you section it, divide it, split it, - it has a reason for its existence outside of itself. The only thing therefore that could explain its own existence would have to be something NON physical.

2. Any time you see that which is intelligent, you assume an intelligence behind it.

3. When you look at the human experience and in history, you see the revelation of God coming to us in the person of christ through the old and the new testaments.

So who is God? He is a spiritual, intelligent being who has entered history and disclosed himself. Revealed himself to humankind. That's who God is.

This explanation is from Ravi Zacharias one of the worlds leading apologists.

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