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Old Jan 31, '09, 7:00 am
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And we can't leave out the classic "Here I Am, Lord" as "The Brady Bunch" similarity:
Here I am, Lord
It is I, Lord
I am bringing up three very lovely girls...
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How about Ernest Sands' "Sing of the Lord's Goodness"? Take Five ...
I can hear "Take Five" in that song, but I also hear "Everything's Alright" from Jesus Christ, Superstar.
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Darn it. We used "Gather Us In" for our processional hymn at our wedding, 10 years ago. In our defense it was one of the hymns suggested by the music minister, and we didn't know any better.

Makes me wish I'd been married in the Eastern Rite.
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And you also sign the "Gilligan's Island" lyrics to "Amazing Grace"
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And you also sign the "Gilligan's Island" lyrics to "Amazing Grace"
Good one! Never knew that.

Amazing Grace can also be sung to "The House of the Rising Sun"

There's an excellent recording of that by the Blind Boys of Alabama
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me,too

I'm going to think that, too!

But I LIKE 'Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald'...don't like 'Gather Us In'...though I used to sing it when I was a cantor...eww,

Glad I go to the TLM!
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Old Jan 31, '09, 9:29 am
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Gather Us In

Here in this place, a bad song is starting,
Now will the altar turn into a stage.
All that is holy is slowly departing,
Making a way for the coming New Age.

Gather us in, for we are like captives.
Skipping the Mass, that would be wrong.
But Lord hear our plea, regarding M. Haugen:
Give him the courage to put down that bong.

Dear Father Smith make a beeline procession,
Run if you have to, make it real terse.
If you can start this Mass very quickly,
Maybe we'll only have to sing one verse.

Great parody Katy!

I was singing it softly to myself-couldn't help but laugh quietly-I'm in the library.
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Gather Us In

Here in this place, a bad song is starting,
Now will the altar turn into a stage.
All that is holy is slowly departing,
Making a way for the coming New Age.

Gather us in, for we are like captives.
Skipping the Mass, that would be wrong.
But Lord hear our plea, regarding M. Haugen:
Give him the courage to put down that bong.

Dear Father Smith make a beeline procession,
Run if you have to, make it real terse.
If you can start this Mass very quickly,
Maybe we'll only have to sing one verse.


Did you come up with that? Or did someone else come up with it? Either way, it's funny!
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I love Gather Us In.

When we first started attending Mass (we were kicked out of our evangelical Protestant church), we sang Gather Us In one Sunday. It made my cry, because I wanted so much to be "gathered in" to a church.

I remember copying the words on a napkin in my purse and saving them for a long time. I would take them out at work and read them because they were so uplifting to me. I love the symbolism in the song. I don't understand why some of you are so down on symbolism and yet you love Latin.

Whenever you are gagging into your hand during Mass and wishing that the wise bishops appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ would see the light that you have seen and expunge the hymnals of this abominable travesty, remember me crying over its message while I was still Protestant, and reading the words off a napkin for spiritual nourishment.

Keep in mind that there are many people in the Church besides you and yours. And someone who is starving, as I was, can't eat the rich food and drink that you all thrive on. At that time, I didn't understand fully why we had been ousted from our church, and the last thing I needed was to sing hymns in a foreign language that I couldn't understand.

As for the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald--I suppose it does sound a little like Gather Us In. So what? They're both good songs.
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I love Gather Us In.

When we first started attending Mass (we were kicked out of our evangelical Protestant church), we sang Gather Us In one Sunday. It made my cry, because I wanted so much to be "gathered in" to a church.

I remember copying the words on a napkin in my purse and saving them for a long time. I would take them out at work and read them because they were so uplifting to me. I love the symbolism in the song. I don't understand why some of you are so down on symbolism and yet you love Latin.

Whenever you are gagging into your hand during Mass and wishing that the wise bishops appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ would see the light that you have seen and expunge the hymnals of this abominable travesty, remember me crying over its message while I was still Protestant, and reading the words off a napkin for spiritual nourishment.

Keep in mind that there are many people in the Church besides you and yours. And someone who is starving, as I was, can't eat the rich food and drink that you all thrive on. At that time, I didn't understand fully why we had been ousted from our church, and the last thing I needed was to sing hymns in a foreign language that I couldn't understand.

As for the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald--I suppose it does sound a little like Gather Us In. So what? They're both good songs.
Aw, maaan. I feel like I hate this song a little less now. I remember how certain songs ministered to me while I was struggling years ago (crisis of faith thingee). I have a soft spot for them even though I don't think the music or lyrics are all that good anymore.
But I still like the parody.
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I love Gather Us In.

When we first started attending Mass (we were kicked out of our evangelical Protestant church), we sang Gather Us In one Sunday. It made my cry, because I wanted so much to be "gathered in" to a church.

I remember copying the words on a napkin in my purse and saving them for a long time. I would take them out at work and read them because they were so uplifting to me. I love the symbolism in the song. I don't understand why some of you are so down on symbolism and yet you love Latin.

Whenever you are gagging into your hand during Mass and wishing that the wise bishops appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ would see the light that you have seen and expunge the hymnals of this abominable travesty, remember me crying over its message while I was still Protestant, and reading the words off a napkin for spiritual nourishment.

Keep in mind that there are many people in the Church besides you and yours. And someone who is starving, as I was, can't eat the rich food and drink that you all thrive on. At that time, I didn't understand fully why we had been ousted from our church, and the last thing I needed was to sing hymns in a foreign language that I couldn't understand.

As for the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald--I suppose it does sound a little like Gather Us In. So what? They're both good songs.
To tell the truth, I can usually handle it when they leave out that "Not in some heaven, light-years away" verse.
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Gather us In - never really cared for it, not "gagging in my hand" reaction, just kinda, "eh" about it. We don't sing it in choir very much @ the 9 a.m., but the guitar singers (sorry, the way I see them because practically everyone but the lady who plays the triangle is carrying one) at the 11 a.m. have it as one of their standards. Now of course, either the Gordon Lightfoot lyrics or the parody will be going through my mind and I will REALLY have to work on keeping my composure.

As for the "singing hymns in a foriegn language", well, that stuck a bit. The most perfect moment of prayer I have experienced was when I was singing Mozart's "Ave Verum Corpus" at Holy Thursday Mass. There were angels in that choir that day, I'm sure. We had never been able to produce so perfect a sound before and when it was done we all looked at each other and whispered, "Whoa!"

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Marty Haugen really has no sense of the concept of Catholic dogma, let alone Catholic liturgical theology. I would not expect him to because he is Protestant. It's like expecting sleeves on a vest; they just are not going to be there.

Apart from the fact that it does sound like a pop song, Gather Us In is pretty much centered on us with very little reference to God. In fact, whatever reference there is strikes me as marginal, at best.

The Mass is supposed to prepare us for the heavenly liturgy. The fact that the song says "not in some heaven, light years away" does not take this important fact into account. Furthermore, "here we will take the wine and the water" is inaccurate. We bring the bread, the wine and the water during the offertory. It is the priest who consecrates these into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and then offers them, in our name, to the Father.

It used to be that the hymns were a tool to express the basic Truths of our Faith while at the same time being directed to the Triune God.

When the USCCB did its preliminary studies on hymns a couple of years ago, it found that 10% of the hymns focused on God the Father.

Because quite a few of the songs focused around ourselves, it begged this question from the USCCB:

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Emphasizes Individual or Larger Church? 55% of the songs emphasized the individual believer, 35% emphasized concerns of the larger Church, while 10% were centered exclusively on praise of God.
These findings were from a powerpoint that the Subcommittee on Liturgy did in advance of Sing to the Lord, which was supposed to have brought us into compliance with Liturgiam Authenticam. However, because the USCCB failed to adopt the document by the necessary votes, it was never sent to Rome for recogitio. Instead, it was simply regarded as a teaching document with little to no authority.

If were to examine "Gather Us In" point by point, we would find that it simply doesn't pass muster.

Regarding the issue of Latin, it is not the average foreign language. As Latin-Rite Catholics, it is our language. Furthermore, it is steeped in Tradition. And, if we want to get into genuine symbols, then we don't need to look any further than the hymns that St. Thomas Aquinas wrote. You can't get any more doctrinally sound than that.

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The reason our choir doesn't sing "Gather Us In" so much is because our pastor Fr. Mark (who is one of the few conservative priests left in town) does NOT like that song...because it sounds too much like the Gordon Lightfoot hit "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" (which he also doesn't like).
Yep, I've always said the same . . .
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Yes, I feel somewhat the same. I've never really ever felt comfortable singing:
Not in the dark of buildings confining
Not in some heaven, light-years away
here in this place the new light is shining
Now is the Kingdom, now is the day
That's why I've relegated myself to playing that song when it comes around.
This just in from GIA Publications, regarding their Hymnal Gather 3:
The Chicago Archdiocesan theological sensors, who approve all of GIA's hymnals for publication, asked that stanza 4 be removed.
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