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Old Jul 29, '09, 3:04 pm
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Default Re: Notre Dame presses charges against pro life protestors

Originally Posted by imperial View Post
You both seem to blame folks like me that do not agree with nds choices perhaps you should focus on the root of this evil
I don't blame you for not agreeing with ND's choice. I think Catholics can have different opinions on ND's choice.
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Old Jul 29, '09, 5:17 pm
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Default Re: Notre Dame presses charges against pro life protestors

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In reply to the breaking down of my post
do you ever see the media waiting outside a church getting ready to interview and reporting on folks that have just said a rosary for the aborted children. I didnít think so
Actually, I have seen such issues in the Catholic press. Several of our secular press newspapers have done a story on a program in our parish, Catholics Returning Home.

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The rosary, Iím talking spiritually, of course he wasnít arrested for holding & praying the rosary. The comment was made sarcastically
One of the problems with email, etc is that tone of voice does not necessarily come through accurately. Given some comments I have seen in these forae it would not have surprised me had it not been meant sarcastically. Point made.
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As for them praying the rosary did you have the volume muted when you watched them?
This is still available on you tube if you wish to refresh your memory. They were praying the rosary as they were walking. Some people on this forum say do not judge others yet they are the first ones to Judge.
You misunderstood my comment about Mass and rosary. The 2000+ peaceful pro life demonstrators, as I understand it, had a Mass, at least one rosary, and other prayer activites. My question was directed to why those arrested saw fit not to participate peacefully with the other 2000+, but rather "do their own thing".
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diggerdomer re
So? Because something causes controversy it should not be done?
No it should not be done when it comes to the culture of death, there should not be any controversy at all when it comes to abortion Christians should all be united not plagued with controversy.
The issue is why a small number of individuals were arrested at ND while protesting against Obama, and more specifically (primarily) against his positions on abortion. It is not an issue about controversy, it is about trespass. It is about people not connected immediately to the university (e.g. staff, professors, students, parents relatives and guests of graduates, and alumni/alumnae) coming onto ND property at commencement exercises with the specific intent of protesting the appearance of Obama. Some people herein seem to insist that trespass laws don't apply to those they agree with morally.
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That is why catholic institutions should only honor people with Christ like virtues regardless of religion or race.
That seems to be more a qualifier than the bishops have insisted upon, and they would probably not agree that it had to be that restrictive.

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Nd knew this would divide those that are advocates for pro life; yes even some lukewarm bishops were divided
The reports I have seen have put the number of bishops somewhere between 60+ and about 90 who came out specifically on the issue. I do not know of any bishops who said anything to the contrary, or hedged around the issue. The fact that other bishops did not weigh in on the issue is in no way, shape or form an indication that they had any other opinion other than the one expressed by those who spoke up.

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what has obama done to @ worse reduce abortion or @ best stop it? Please answer my question.[/color]
His record is public knowledge. As I said above, perhaps some of the Catholics who voted for him will wake up in light of his rapid moves to increase abortion.

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Otjm comment Not. I would gladly sit on a jury and vote to convict if the facts showed beyond a reasonable doubt that they had violated the laws they are charged with. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for street theater protesters.

Let him without sin cast the first stone.
One does not have to be sinless to sit on a jury; I have done so and never claimed to be sinless. The status of one's soul is not subject to voir dire. They were charged with crimes of trespass and other minor issues. The Church upholds the right of the State to prosecute for such issues, and for Catholics to serve; in fact I believe that the Church holds that we have a moral duty to do so. I don't care if those arrested for trespass were doing so to protest animal rights to not be used in lab experiments, Obama's position on abortion, the war in Iraq, or if they were members of the Ku Klux Klan. They were on private property, and if the prosecuting attorney set out facts beyone a reasonable doubt that they trespassed, and the case went to the jury I would have absolutely no problem convicting them of trespass. That does not mean that I am not vigorously pro life; it means that I uphold well established criminal law. They had the opportunity to join the 2000+ who protested within the rules set by the university. They chose street theater instead. Bad choice.
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Please feel free to once again dissect my post, can you kindly at least answer my question while youíre at it. What has obama done since his honoree degree for life?
The public record speaks for itself. We are not on opposite sides concerning Obama. I simply hold that people do not have a right to go on private property and make whatever protests they like, even if I agree with the substance of their protest.

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You both seem to blame folks like me that do not agree with nds choices perhaps you should focus on the root of this evil
No, as a matter of fact I am on record repeatedly saying that ND royally screwed up on this one, that Jenkins is far too big for his britches and thinks he is some sort of Hesberg (of whom I have my own uncomplimentary opinion), and that I hope the alumni and alumnae cut him off at the pockets, as money speaks far louder than words.
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Old Aug 2, '09, 4:45 pm
Deacon Ed B Deacon Ed B is offline
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Default Re: Notre Dame presses charges against pro life protestors

I can only wonder how our Holy Mother feels, seeing this bastion of Catholicism, named after her, going astray such as it is.

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