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Old Apr 29, '05, 10:57 am
BillyT92679 BillyT92679 is offline
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Default Re: Pope's coat of arms

Originally Posted by dcmac

"Well, it isn't the Tiara."
Yes… it is… in a different artistic form. The meaning is still there.

"It's an episcopal mitre."
Which is what the tiara is for the Supreme Pontiff.

"The Tiara isn't a liturgical headdress, it's a crown for the Sovereign Pontiff."
A half-truth is worse than a whole lie. The tiara is both a liturgical instrument and a crown… as is any miter for any bishop. A miter is not merely a "liturgical headdress" it is a symbol of power and authority for any ecclesiastic who possess it… just as the ring and pallium are. Give me a break.

"Whatever similarities the Tiara has to the mitre that might exist are only tangential."

"The Tiara was never used at any Latin Rite Mass."
Yes, it was…

"(Blessed John XXIII for example did use the Tiara while celebrating a Pontifical Divine Liturgy because of its similarities to the Byzantine mitres.)"
Another half-truth. What is it with you and half-truths? Either you do not know much about the subject or you are intentionally misleading people. He used it then and at his coronation/installation mass, as did Paul VI after him.

"It was only used in processions and to deliver the Urbi et Orbi... the Pope as Sovereign."
Wrong. It was also worn at high feasts and solemnities; at official doctrinal proclamations; etc.

"I really don't care one way or the other, I think ultra-traditionalists might be upset that it is a removal of a millenial old tradition."
You obviously care, as your first and now second post smacks of deconstructionist elitism and arrogance. If you did not care you would not have posted an error, which you thought to be true, with glee and then defended it when it was taken apart. Come… come now… my good fellow. For the record, there were popes during the "millenial old tradition" who did not use the tiara in their arms. It did not then, and it does not now, invalidate its continued use and symbolism.
Your lack of charity to me is astonigshing. I'm every bit as orthodox and as loyal to the magisterium of the Church as you are. It is wrong of you to calumnate me on a message board.

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