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Old Feb 18, '12, 3:48 am
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Smile Re: Changing the definition of marriage devalues my marriage!

Originally Posted by John21652 View Post
You are wrong. Because a marriage is secular dos not mean it has nothing in common with your religious marriage; they share common characteristics and principles.

No-one has said all marriages are equal. All heterosxual marriages have shared characteristics.

John Finnis is one of the world's pre-eminent Legal philosophers. He is also a staunch Catholic and mixes philosophy with theology. He is a modern champion of Natural Law moral philosophy. I gave a link to a pice written by him that is both learned and academically sound, yet you brush it off as mere "opinion". If you had botherd to read it, you would have noticed that his arguments rfrrd to the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas and natural Law. Both underpin catholicism to a grat extent. If you brush of his learned piece as mere opinion, then you are labelling all teaching of theology, philsophy and moral theology as mere opinion. That reeks of hubris, ignorance and anti-Catholicism.Some opinions are well formed. That is, a lot of scholarship and thought lis bhind an opinion. Som opinions are worthless, because they lack insight, wisdom and have a selfish hubris as thir beginning. Finnis actually demonstrated what religious and secular marriages have in common. Th proof is there if you wish to see it. Your opinion is worthless until you do the homework. So here you are inferring that people who are not Catholics and who marry in a secular ceremony do not do so out of love and a desire to have children. That's an opinion based on grand assumptions which do not accord with the reality of marriage as an institution. The one who is confused is you. Read Finnis and then come back with an informed opinion.
What an idiotic statement. Finnis is arguing that homosexual 'marriage' would devalue the institution of marriage. To make that argument, both philosophically and intellectually, he has to make a comparison. Yet you seem to think that making that comparison cheapens marriage, even though the conclusion drawn from the comparison is the opposite. That's just too funny for words!Are you saying your Catholic marriage is not recognised by the state? Too funny.Your statement is false. Many secular marriages come about for the very same reasons as Catholic marriages. If that were not the case, then marriage would have no social value and not be recognised for the social good it gives.

Here you are denying the validity of, the social good of and the strengths of all secular marriages. That is just plain wrong, because the state and all religious faiths place great importance on the institution of marriage. Same sex 'marriages' would indeed change everything. Same sex marriage has nothing whatsover to do with procreation, which, despite what you argue, the vast majority of marriages share in common. Same sex marriage offfers no social good whatsoever. Read Finnis if you doubt this. Earlier you wrote of people who marry lawn mowers and other weird things that marriage can be turned into. Well, giving legal rcognition to a marriage in which sodomy is the raison d'etre is one of those strange things people make of marriage.

It is a recurring theme across all your posts that you know better than all the Popes and Doctors of the Church down through history who have formulated Catholic philosophy, teaching and doctrine. It is a recurring theme that you thumb your nose at the Catholic Church's moral philosophy because you regard it as mere opinion. It means you thumb your nose at the accepted doctrine of Apostolic succession and it means you thumb your nose at the power and support Jesus gave to Peter when he gave him the power to loose and bind on Earth.

Catholic teaching is predicated on Natural Law, which is an objective moral philosophy. There is no other, except a moral relativism which says one man's morality is no better than anyone else's. That is what you are espousing. If you feel you are not obliged to follow the Catholic Church's moral and philosophical teachings, then I suggest you remove the Catholic label from your ID.
well put!
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