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Old Feb 21, '12, 1:30 pm
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Default Re: Redemptorist nuns forced to vacate monastery...

Originally Posted by TiggerS View Post
Sorry! Culture divide possibly. Sister is a gentle, sweet and loving religious - no trace of bitterness or regret. Joyful in life and circumstances.
All that is negative and not good in our world comes about through God's Permissive Will (the theological term for what God permits). All that is good and positive in our world comes about through His Direct Will.

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- and New Advent:
"We must distinguish between God's positive will, and His permissive will. He positively wills all the good that happens. Suffering He permits to occur, and this only when he foresees that good can result from it. He positively wills that I should be holy. If He foresees that I will make use of good health to sin and to lose my soul, He may mercifully permit my health to be ruined, and thus lead me to Him where He would otherwise lose me. There would have been no diseases had men not sinned. God did not will sin, but having made men free, He permitted it and its consequences. This permission was a less serious thing than would have been the depriving us of our freedom. "

A general comment addressed to no one in particular: please do not misconstrue the above quotation from New Advent. If a person looses their health, it is not necessarily to avoid some negative factor if God had willed that good health be retained throughout life.

As the quotation from the Catholic Catechism states, we cannot categorically know the reasons God permits or wills whatever He may in the life of a person. We will only understand in Heaven.
You will have to excuse me as I do not believe in theology.

See my words on religious orders above this.

SIsters make choices like everyone else. None of us can blame God for our wrongdoings. You need to look at the person;s history.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:02 pm
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Default Re: Redemptorist nuns forced to vacate monastery...

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That is a very personal attack indeed and an apology is needed from you please.
Amazed that someone in religious life can speak like this also, as I would have thought you knew the reasons for religious orders being in the state they are in.

Which is certainly not in any plans God could ever make.

His plan is perfection; that all religious should live as they vow. They have not done so, and so the orders are fragmented.

That is the fact of the matter that we are facing daily hee in Ireland and unless and until we accept that the plans of God have been diverted from in the worst possible way then nothing is going to improve, Speaking truth is needed and is not presumptuous! REALLY!
There is nothing that Bro said that was offensive.

Perfection has to do with your journey in Christ...perfection of various virtues but especially perfect surrender to God. That includes each and every circumstance that happens outside of our own control. This is basically the thought of people who journey their whole life with God. Or it is supposed to be. You enter a religious life to be in union with God whether it is in a plush convent or in dire poverty. It shouldn't matter to the religious. And if that plush convent is wanting...count it all joy! Hopefully, they see every circumstance as being God's will for them. Any other worldly thought is not worthy of a religious. To give everything up for for God means exactly that.

His plan is perfection....this is true...whether the plan is positive or negative! He allows things to happen for their holiness...and ours! One becomes patient by 'practicing' the virtue. It does not come on a golden platter!
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