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Lightbulb It's NOT in the Bible, okay?

I would much appreciate it if someone one, (especially you who are n-Cs) would display and clarify for me just precisely where it is in the Word of God that it specifically states that everything that Christians believe and practice must be found within its pages.

This also is for some of you Catholics that come in here and all but demand to know where some Catholic teaching or practice is found in the Bible.

The reason I am posting this is because I have read the Bible (all 73 books of it!) many times and have yet to find anything that supports this idea. I have concluded that the Catholic Church is correct in teaching that the Bible does not say this and therefore it is error.

I want all of us Catholics to understand that this is a fundamental doctrinal error of some communities of n-C Christianity and so there is no reason to get distressed when someone comes at you with this stuff, because the fact of the matter is ...it's NOT in the Bible itself.
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So everyone missed this?
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So everyone missed this?
You might have gotten better participation if you put in over in Non-Catholic religions.
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I would much appreciate it if someone one, (especially you who are n-Cs) would display and clarify for me just precisely where it is in the Word of God that it specifically states that everything that Christians believe and practice must be found within its pages.

This also is for some of you Catholics that come in here and all but demand to know where some Catholic teaching or practice is found in the Bible.

The reason I am posting this is because I have read the Bible (all 73 books of it!) many times and have yet to find anything that supports this idea. I have concluded that the Catholic Church is correct in teaching that the Bible does not say this and therefore it is error.

I want all of us Catholics to understand that this is a fundamental doctrinal error of some communities of n-C Christianity and so there is no reason to get distressed when someone comes at you with this stuff, because the fact of the matter is ...it's NOT in the Bible itself.
Hmmm,,,,things NCs believe that are not in the Bible. Lets see.
1. Evangelistic appeals.
2. VBS.
3. Youth groups and youth pastors.
4. Church picnics,
5. Praise bands.
6. Bible Colleges.
7. Short hair on men, long hair on women. ( I once knew a preacher who insisted Jesus had a crewcut)
I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of any right now.
Too much Chinese food for lunch.
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Hmmm,,,,things NCs believe that are not in the Bible. Lets see.
1. Evangelistic appeals.
2. VBS.
3. Youth groups and youth pastors.
4. Church picnics,
5. Praise bands.
6. Bible Colleges.
7. Short hair on men, long hair on women. ( I once knew a preacher who insisted Jesus had a crewcut)
I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of any right now.
Too much Chinese food for lunch.
A very interesting series of points Servant! Thanks!

(How was lunch? General Tso's chicken? LOVE that stuff!)

Further...if these things you offer are not found in scripture, should they be part of their community ministry? Is this a contradiction?

Here again, the question remains.

Does the Bible teach that everything that we believe and practice has to be found in its pages?
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I think there's a Sola Scriptura thread (being ignored right now) in the Sacrade Scripture subforum going. I've posted some problematic bible passages there for believers in the "Tradition" which some might say negates half the word of God.
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I think there's a Sola Scriptura thread (being ignored right now) in the Sacred Scripture subforum going. I've posted some problematic Bible passages there for believers in the "Tradition" which some might say negates half the word of God.
Got a link to it?


This thread is really meant to come at that from a slightly different direction. Hopefully some n-Cs will be kind enough to enter the discussion and enrich it.
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Got a link to it?

This thread is really meant to come at that from a slightly different direction. Hopefully some n-Cs will be kind enough to enter the discussion and enrich it.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=387719
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A very interesting series of points Servant! Thanks!

(How was lunch? General Tso's chicken? LOVE that stuff!)

Further...if these things you offer are not found in scripture, should they be part of their community ministry? Is this a contradiction?

Here again, the question remains.

Does the Bible teach that everything that we believe and practice has to be found in its pages?
No, the Bible (almost typed Bubble there) does not say anywhere that everything has to be in it. Even I know that!! And I hardly know anything about the Bible. It's so obvious and yet people keep on saying it over and over. It must be confusing to live as a Christian and base all your behavior on the Bible.
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1. Evangelistic appeals.
Doesn't the Bible tell us to evangalize?

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2. VBS.
Doesn't the Bible tell us to teach our youth in the ways of the Lord?

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3. Youth groups and youth pastors.
ditto

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4. Church picnics,
Show me one Protestant who believes these are a necessary means of worship!

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5. Praise bands.
Doesn't the Bible say that we are to worship with the banging of drums and the clanging of cymbals?

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6. Bible Colleges.
Doesn't the Bible say that ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ and aren't these schools set up to teach people those Scriptures?

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7. Short hair on men, long hair on women. ( I once knew a preacher who insisted Jesus had a crewcut)
Doesn't the Bible say something about men praying with a covering on their heads and women praying without a covering and doesn't this passage go on to say that long hair is a covering? (BTW: the Jesus crew cut thing is just silly men didn't wear their hair that way in biblical times.)
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Doesn't the Bible tell us to evangalize?

Doesn't the Bible tell us to teach our youth in the ways of the Lord?

ditto

Show me one Protestant who believes these are a necessary means of worship!

Doesn't the Bible say that we are to worship with the banging of drums and the clanging of cymbals?

Doesn't the Bible say that ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ and aren't these schools set up to teach people those Scriptures?

Doesn't the Bible say something about men praying with a covering on their heads and women praying without a covering and doesn't this passage go on to say that long hair is a covering? (BTW: the Jesus crew cut thing is just silly men didn't wear their hair that way in biblical times.)
You missed the point.
Didn't say any of those things were bad, just said they were part of Protestant 'tradition' that has no Biblical basis.
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You missed the point.
Didn't say any of those things were bad, just said they were part of Protestant 'tradition' that has no Biblical basis.
And, I pointed out that they do have a Biblical basis.
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And, I pointed out that they do have a Biblical basis.
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Do you think it would be fair to say that Catholic Tradition also has a Biblical basis?

Understand that just because you are personally unfamiliar with that basis, it doesn't mean that none exists...
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Doesn't the Bible tell us to evangalize?
Sure. The list was weak. Try this:

Traditions Protestants Can Accept

Are there extra-biblical Church traditions that Protestants will accept? Can even one be found?

In order to determine this fairly, we must evaluate each doctrine that is proposed as a candidate according to several criteria:

a) The doctrine in question is accepted by the Protestants to whom one is speaking
b) The doctrine is not stated in Scripture
c) The doctrine is not implied by Scripture
d) The doctrine has an extrabiblical history to which one can appeal as an alternative, extrascriptural basis

The following doctrines are proposed as those which meet all of the criteria above and are agreed to be binding upon the consciences of all believers:

1. The canon of the New Testament
2. Public revelation has ended
3. There are to be no more Apostles

If any one of these three doctrines meet the criteria above, then it has been proven that Protestants have accepted teaching that has come by a source other the Bible Alone; thus, sola scriptura is false.


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In order to determine this fairly, we must evaluate each doctrine that is proposed as a candidate according to several criteria:

a) The doctrine in question is accepted by the Protestants to whom one is speaking
b) The doctrine is not stated in Scripture
c) The doctrine is not implied by Scripture
d) The doctrine has an extrabiblical history to which one can appeal as an alternative, extrascriptural basis
Okay, let's evaluate your list based on that.

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1. The canon of the New Testament
Okay I agree that this meets the above list.

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2. Public revelation has ended
I do not agree with this, there will be a ton of public revelation once the end times in revelation start.

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3. There are to be no more Apostles
I do not agree with this, there will be 144,000 (If we take the number literally, otherwise replace them number with the words "a whole bunch") of Apostles in the time of Revelation.

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If any one of these three doctrines meet the criteria above, then it has been proven that Protestants have accepted teaching that has come by a source other the Bible Alone; thus, sola scriptura is false.
You misunderstand sola scriptura. Sola Scriptura relates only to faith and morals. Besides, just because a person, or group of people, listened to the Holy Spirit once doesn't mean they always will as is proven by the Catholic definition of Old Testament canon.
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