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Old Aug 14, '17, 2:00 pm
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Default Re: Evidence For Our Lady of Fatima and other Miracles?

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I am a little baffled as to why you would argue things like Fatima to people outside the faith, when many Catholics who are "inside the faith" do not believe in Fatima or in other private revelations, and there is no requirement from the Vatican that they do so.

You have to pick your battles when discussing with people outside Catholicism who are hostile to it. I would pick a battle that is actually part of official Church teaching, not one that the Church, while very open to its message, has declared optional for believers.
The original poster presented Fatima to someone and was asking how to proceed so I addressed the question.
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Old Aug 14, '17, 5:47 pm
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Default Re: Evidence For Our Lady of Fatima and other Miracles?

I think the miracle of the resurrection of Jesus would be a good one that fits your criteria.
We have the written testimony of people who witnessed it.

Then there is the miracle of life.

The miracle of birth.

The miracle of creation itself.
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Old Aug 14, '17, 11:36 pm
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The newspaper "O Seculo" from Portugal sent a skeptical reporter to cover the event from a newspaper with socialist leanings. His account can be found in the daily version of the "O Seculo" newspaper from the day after the Miracle of the Sun. The local parish priest, Father Ferreira, was also skeptical and sometimes actively discouraged the young seers. He was very much taken aback by the miracles. The news magazine "Ilustracao Portuguesa" (I wish I could make those cute Portuguese diacritical marks) published photos from Fatima describing the unexplained dryness of the soil following heavy rainfall, and published first person accounts from former skeptics who were convinced that what they saw was an absolute miracle.
You didn't mention that the reporter's photographer was a Catholic but despite his best efforts he himself saw nothing and was quite disappointed that those around him did.

Nor did you mention that the priest heavily censored details because he couldnt accept the first apparition which the children clearly reported as wearing a dress short enough to show her knees.
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Old Aug 14, '17, 11:52 pm
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4. The diagram of this blood corresponds to that of human blood that would have been taken from a human body that very same day. The blood is real. It is made up of five-unequal clots, but each clot weighs exactly the weight of the five clots weighed together, be it 15.85 grams.
It is a common misconception that the blood pellets from the Lanciano miracle all weigh 15.85 grams together and separately, but this is false. That was an assertion from "scales" used in 1574.

Linoli and the WHO exams showed differently:

The actual total clots weight is 16.505 grams, that of each of them is 8 grams, 2.45 grams, 2.85 grams. 2.05 grams and 1.15 grams.

Miracles are only effective for conversion as singularities.
If you weren't there then only testimony is left.
And testimony has considerably less "objective" coercive force.

In the end faith is still necessitated.
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