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Ultimately atheists don't trust anything because they believe nothing has any reason to exist.
Wrong - they trust the socialist State. That is their answer to everything.
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Nobody is born believing (or disbelieving) anything!
Exactly my point. And children automatically believe what they are told. Tooth fairy, gods and monsters, Santa, they are a tabula rasa on which you can write anything at all. And yes, that would include not believing in things.

Maybe I should have written 'effectively' an atheist when referring to young children, but I was expecting people to understand the point I was making. And those who know me well enough would be fully aware that I have previously made the point that you can't self declare as a Christian or an atheist until you have reached whatever you might consider to be the age of reason.
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Exactly my point. And children automatically believe what they are told. Tooth fairy, gods and monsters, Santa, they are a tabula rasa on which you can write anything at all. And yes, that would include not believing in things.
No one ought to disagree with this.

But you also need to include:
-George Washington was the first president of the US

-if you touch a hot stove you will burn yourself

-if you ride a bike, you're better protected with a helmet.

Tabula rasa.
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Maybe I should have written 'effectively' an atheist when referring to young children,
And we would have just responded with: children are "effectively" Christian when they are baptized.
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Exactly my point. And children automatically believe what they are told. Tooth fairy, gods and monsters, Santa, they are a tabula rasa on which you can write anything at all. And yes, that would include not believing in things.

Maybe I should have written 'effectively' an atheist when referring to young children, but I was expecting people to understand the point I was making. And those who know me well enough would be fully aware that I have previously made the point that you can't self declare as a Christian or an atheist until you have reached whatever you might consider to be the age of reason.
Well I guess you should be a little more clear about your ideas. Children are not atheists in any sense of the word. They already believe in God and the supernatural. It is not at all hard for them to believe in angels, Heaven and Hell.. It is hard for them to believe in nothing, you atheist.
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Exactly my point. And children automatically believe what they are told. Tooth fairy, gods and monsters, Santa, they are a tabula rasa on which you can write anything at all. And yes, that would include not believing in things.

Maybe I should have written 'effectively' an atheist when referring to young children, but I was expecting people to understand the point I was making. And those who know me well enough would be fully aware that I have previously made the point that you can't self declare as a Christian or an atheist until you have reached whatever you might consider to be the age of reason.
I think the theoretically "blank" child would be more of an ignostic. Or "theological non-cognitivist".

Which are not precisely the same as "atheist".
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Wrong - they trust the socialist State. That is their answer to everything.
Bill Gates would be as bemused as I am at a remark such as that. And I'm pretty certain that the guy in the Vatican is no friend of capitalism.
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No one ought to disagree with this.

But you also need to include:
-George Washington was the first president of the US

-if you touch a hot stove you will burn yourself

-if you ride a bike, you're better protected with a helmet.

Tabula rasa.
Also, you can teach them the fairy tale that it's possible for something to pop up from nothing.

Poof! Magic!

They might believe you on this, and keep on believing it, because, well, they trust you and have...faith...in you...

until common sense kicks in and they're like,

wait a minute....

When, EVER, in the history of the universe, has something ever been able to pop up from nothing?

I've never seen that happen. Not even once.

And my logic tells me that this is....absurd.

As does my common sense.

Out of nothing, nothing comes.

That seems pretty basic logic, yeah?

So, no thank you Daddy Atheist. I reject the fairy tale you taught me.
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I think the theoretically "blank" child would be more of an ignostic. Or "theological non-cognitivist".

Which are not precisely the same as "atheist".
I'll go with that. But the point remains, despite what some people seem to think. You are not born with an innate sense of any particular god. You need to be taught about Buddha or God or Shiva or Banaitja or any of the pantheon of gods.
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Your point rings true with any one particular god, but the emergence of religion hand-in-hand with civilization itself does lend some support for the concept of the metaphysical. If not as an end, then certainly as an important means.
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