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Old Nov 4, '09, 12:50 pm
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Very interesting. I hope more come. I'm making the leap and I'm not Anglican. But, I hope this open invitation for them doesn't have a time limit. I wonder how ELCA or the LCMS will respond.
I can't speak for the ELCA, but the LCMS has no interest in rejoining Rome until they can accept at least the Unaltered Augsburg Confession. This would require, among other things, allowing the marriage of priests, ending the invocation of saints, retracting the idea of 'merit' altogether, and using the Scriptures rather than the Papacy as the norma normans of all doctrine and practice. Needless to say, I don't see the LCMS returning to Rome anytime soon because I don't see Rome making those concessions.
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Old Nov 4, '09, 1:07 pm
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The "liberal/conservative" splits never really happened in American Lutheranism.

Not quite true. There are already deep rumblings among the US Lutherans as regards actively gay pastors or pastors who are in openly gay relationships.

Local groups of course will decide on these matters for their own particular area but I know of many conservative pastors & their flock who feel they cannot accept such a life-style as 'normal' and will most likely split from their parent Church over this matter. In that case I see many of them joining Rome since in many aspects their differences with Rome today seem lesser than those of the Anglicans.

We live in interesting times.
Quite true. The issue is within the ELCA and their Assembly's decision to allow gay clergy in committed relationships to retain their relationships and continue to be serve as clergy. There will be some ELCA churches that will break off entirely (there was one in Arizona), but they won't go to Rome. More likely that they'll head towards the LCMS or WELS, or simply start a new branch of Lutheranism. The ELCA, LCMS, and WELS are the big three in the US, but there are other, much smaller, almost never heard of branches.
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Old Nov 4, '09, 1:18 pm
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Quite true. The issue is within the ELCA and their Assembly's decision to allow gay clergy in committed relationships to retain their relationships and continue to be serve as clergy. There will be some ELCA churches that will break off entirely (there was one in Arizona), but they won't go to Rome. More likely that they'll head towards the LCMS or WELS, or simply start a new branch of Lutheranism. The ELCA, LCMS, and WELS are the big three in the US, but there are other, much smaller, almost never heard of branches.
Even many of the 'conservative' ELCA congregations continue to deny scriptural inerrancy and favor the ordination of women. This would make them incompatible with either the LCMS or WELS, resulting in a new Lutheran Synod altogether. Great.
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Old Nov 5, '09, 1:38 pm
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They voted to accept something they have not even seen!

What fools these mortals be!
Archbishop Hepworth (TAC) has publically stated that they would have accepted a much more limited offer and that they were overwhelmed by the Pope’s generosity.

The TAC would like to present their acceptance of the Pope’s offer by Easter 2010. As they have a synodical form of government they need all of their assemblies/synods to accept before that date and therefore have a tight schedule.

While others (perhaps quite understandably, dither) they are positioning themselves to take a leadership role in early days of the ordinariates. Note the request for Bishop Mercer to be made ordinary in the UK.

The adherents of the TAC in the 1990s (and in fact well before that) were quite prescient in foreseeing that the "ordination" of women would lead to the "consecration" of women bishops and that would, as Cardinal Kasper has now made clear, make visible corporate re-union with the Catholic Church impossible. As they had read the course of events so clearly then it may be wise to pay careful attention to their actions now.

In the past they have sacrificed much to preserve Anglo-Catholicism and the hope of re-union, leaving their Anglican communities and churches behind.

Currently, they are willing to sacrifice much to be re-united. All of the married bishops will have to stand down. While some may become ordinaries they will still not be the ones ordaining their priests and deacons as Cathollic priests.

I trust that God will reward this fidelity and sacrifice and that we will see a steady growth of Anglican-Catholicism (i.e. Anglicans in full union with the Catholic Church, preserving all that does not conflict with Catholic teaching)

If they are fools then they are fools for Christ and Christian unity.
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Old Nov 5, '09, 4:58 pm
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The assembly/synod of the Traditional Anglican Communion in the UK voted last Thursday (October 29th) to request that they form part of the proposed Ordinariate in the UK.

This is the first group of Anglicans to formally accept the Pope's offer of Anglican "ordinariates" and to request to be incorporated into full visible union under the terms of the proposed Apostolic Constitution.

see full story http://signumsa.blogspot.com/2009/11...dinariate.html

Wonderful, if expected, news.

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Old Nov 5, '09, 5:16 pm
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Archbishop Hepworth (TAC) has publically stated that they would have accepted a much more limited offer and that they were overwhelmed by the Pope’s generosity.

The TAC would like to present their acceptance of the Pope’s offer by Easter 2010. As they have a synodical form of government they need all of their assemblies/synods to accept before that date and therefore have a tight schedule.

While others (perhaps quite understandably, dither) they are positioning themselves to take a leadership role in early days of the ordinariates. Note the request for Bishop Mercer to be made ordinary in the UK.

The adherents of the TAC in the 1990s (and in fact well before that) were quite prescient in foreseeing that the "ordination" of women would lead to the "consecration" of women bishops and that would, as Cardinal Kasper has now made clear, make visible corporate re-union with the Catholic Church impossible. As they had read the course of events so clearly then it may be wise to pay careful attention to their actions now.

In the past they have sacrificed much to preserve Anglo-Catholicism and the hope of re-union, leaving their Anglican communities and churches behind.

Currently, they are willing to sacrifice much to be re-united. All of the married bishops will have to stand down. While some may become ordinaries they will still not be the ones ordaining their priests and deacons as Cathollic priests.

I trust that God will reward this fidelity and sacrifice and that we will see a steady growth of Anglican-Catholicism (i.e. Anglicans in full union with the Catholic Church, preserving all that does not conflict with Catholic teaching)

If they are fools then they are fools for Christ and Christian unity.

It should also be kept in mind that the TAC (in its origin) is and was a part of a larger group of orthodox Anglicans who began leaving the Episcopal Church and the official Anglican Communion, back in 1978. These groups, collectively referred to as Continuing Anglican Churches, or the Continuum, hold many positions identical to the TAC. Not all such Anglicans are interested in joining the RCC, however.

GKC

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Old Nov 5, '09, 6:29 pm
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Archbishop Hepworth (TAC) has publically stated that they would have accepted a much more limited offer and that they were overwhelmed by the Pope’s generosity.

The TAC would like to present their acceptance of the Pope’s offer by Easter 2010. As they have a synodical form of government they need all of their assemblies/synods to accept before that date and therefore have a tight schedule.

While others (perhaps quite understandably, dither) they are positioning themselves to take a leadership role in early days of the ordinariates. Note the request for Bishop Mercer to be made ordinary in the UK.

The adherents of the TAC in the 1990s (and in fact well before that) were quite prescient in foreseeing that the "ordination" of women would lead to the "consecration" of women bishops and that would, as Cardinal Kasper has now made clear, make visible corporate re-union with the Catholic Church impossible. As they had read the course of events so clearly then it may be wise to pay careful attention to their actions now.

In the past they have sacrificed much to preserve Anglo-Catholicism and the hope of re-union, leaving their Anglican communities and churches behind.

Currently, they are willing to sacrifice much to be re-united. All of the married bishops will have to stand down. While some may become ordinaries they will still not be the ones ordaining their priests and deacons as Cathollic priests.

I trust that God will reward this fidelity and sacrifice and that we will see a steady growth of Anglican-Catholicism (i.e. Anglicans in full union with the Catholic Church, preserving all that does not conflict with Catholic teaching)

If they are fools then they are fools for Christ and Christian unity.
Bishop Mercer's ambition is quite evident.

There was never any realistic prospect of TAC or ECUSA uniting with the RCC on the latter's terms. The Marian doctrines and papal infallibility are insurmountable.
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Old Nov 10, '09, 12:00 pm
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They voted to accept something they have not even seen!

What fools these mortals be!

Cardinal Levada issued 2 sections of the AC earlier this week, and there will be NO ongoing married priests after those that are currently married. This means they will not be any more likely to find priests than Roman Catholics.

I want to see if there will be anything left of Anglicanism, or if this will be like the Anglican Use, conversion of all, and gone after one generation.
Although a small group the Anglican Use parishes are doing very well after 28 years. Now they will be protected under the new structure. The AU parishes already have men who are on their way to the priesthood.

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