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Old Apr 16, '17, 2:04 pm
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Yoga postures could just as easily have been running, walking, or any calisthenic. They were adopted into Hinduism ( as an option even) just like incense, fasting and for that matter, chastity, generosity and truthfulness . This correlation people are trying to make with demons Makes no sense.
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I wouldn't say going to a yoga class is "practicing a different religion." It's just a fitness and relaxation thing, for Pete's sake. .
There has been a HUGE effort to make majority of people see it in this light, its called conditioning. The same thing has happened in regards to homosexual marriage recently, its not just coincidence that so many people, even devout christians see absolutely nothing wrong with this today.

Changing to name to 'lifestyle fitness' is absurd imo, its still the same thing, but not really surprised, didnt someone once say times would come when evil was called good and good evil...hmmm?
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Much ado about nothing.
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I would be interested in whether or not the actually curriculum/positions/practices of the class would change, because to me the original article from the school newspaper The Circuit seems to suggest that the actual class would change, and not just the name.

That being said, people are making this a bigger deal than it has to be. Yoga is not the only way to become flexible/relax/deal with stress/etc. At the end of the day, the college will not close and the world will not end because of this. I'm sure there are numerous other opportunities for yoga in other places in Atchison if it is really that important to people.

I say that as a fairly recent Benedictine College alum who could give much testimony to the Catholic identity of the college.
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Old Apr 17, '17, 5:52 pm
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There has been a HUGE effort to make majority of people see it in this light, its called conditioning. The same thing has happened in regards to homosexual marriage recently, its not just coincidence that so many people, even devout christians see absolutely nothing wrong with this today.

Changing to name to 'lifestyle fitness' is absurd imo, its still the same thing, but not really surprised, didnt someone once say times would come when evil was called good and good evil...hmmm?
You are seriously comparing yoga to homosexual marriage in term of moral evil?
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I would be interested in whether or not the actually curriculum/positions/practices of the class would change, because to me the original article from the school newspaper The Circuit seems to suggest that the actual class would change, and not just the name.

That being said, people are making this a bigger deal than it has to be. Yoga is not the only way to become flexible/relax/deal with stress/etc. At the end of the day, the college will not close and the world will not end because of this. I'm sure there are numerous other opportunities for yoga in other places in Atchison if it is really that important to people.

I say that as a fairly recent Benedictine College alum who could give much testimony to the Catholic identity of the college.
I think the point is that Hindus are already upset about this, and who knows what harm may come to Christians in India.

It would have been better if they had never had the course at all, or if they had changed the content to stay within Catholic teachings, rather than change the name and cause an uproar, and possible attacks on Christians in India.
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Ouija boards are dangerous.

It's a very tense situation, so just out of concern for fellow Christians in India, it would have been better if that college had not changed the name, but in private had consulted with the instructor to make sure there was no anti-Christian or demonic content in the course....which is perfectly doable. No one in public would have been the wiser to that directive.
How does a little college in Kansas impact Christians in India? Or are you speaking in principle?
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But no, not everyone that does yoga will become possessed, but it can certainly open the door for possession, as has already been proven by those who deal with it. Heck, kids can use Ouija boards and not become possessed, but I doubt you'll find too many on here that will say that the Ouija board is just a harmless game.


Superstition. See Ideomotor phenomenon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenon
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Superstition. See Ideomotor phenomenon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenon
Now you've got me curious. Do you believe demonic possessions or exorcisms really exist, and if so, who would you believe on such matters?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p3s2c1a1.htm
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1673 When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing.178 In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. The solemn exorcism, called "a major exorcism," can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. The priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church. Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness.

2111 Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.
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Now you've got me curious. Do you believe demonic possessions or exorcisms really exist, and if so, who would you believe on such matters?
Yes, I believe they exist. But I also believe that we must first seek explanations through science before jumping to supernatural conclusions.
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First of all, the practice of yoga is more than just stretching exercises. The Catholic Church has never opposed stretching exercises but has spoken out against yoga. And regarding demonic possession associated with yoga, I trust the first-hand experience from actual exorcists (Fr. Gabriel Amorth, Fr. Chad Ripperger) who have seen it happen.
Do you have a reference for Fr Amorth saying this? Not challenging you, just curious.
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I forgot, we need to get rid of Thursday -- Thor's Day.

So now it becomes Maundy Whateverday...
What about Saturns Day? Or Odins Day?
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Do you have a reference for Fr Amorth saying this? Not challenging you, just curious.
Here are a few news articles that mentioned it, but it seemed to be a big deal when he spoke of it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oga-and-harry/

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news...ga-dies-at-91/

This one is a commentary on Fr. Amorth's beliefs:
http://www.americamagazine.org/conte...yoga-and-devil
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Here are a few news articles that mentioned it, but it seemed to be a big deal when he spoke of it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oga-and-harry/

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news...ga-dies-at-91/

This one is a commentary on Fr. Amorth's beliefs:
http://www.americamagazine.org/conte...yoga-and-devil
Thank you! I read one of the books on Fr. Amorth and found it fascinating and yet more evidence of the love God has for us.
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