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Old Jul 16, '17, 7:12 pm
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Default Re: Lady in my diocese dresses up as a nun (???)

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Well, Father,I had not realized (as a lay person) that this could be so problematic. (I wish it worked the other way, though. I wish that priests wore readily identifiable clerical attire here in the U.S as a matter of course, but I understand it is entirely up to their bishops and they have the unquestionable authority to make the decisions they choose).

So you are certainly correct, this is a matter to be brought up to the appropriate authorities.

I would venture to guess that if the woman is indeed doing something wrong, she would probably be more than willing to cooperate and do whatever she was supposed to do; stop wearing a habit if she is wearing one, etc. In any case, she would at least know. . .and again, I venture to guess that she most certainly does not know she is doing wrong, if she is.
I have to say it warms my heart to see a gracious response here to a religious superior.
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Dear Friends:

This could be nothing more than this woman's particular style of dressing herself.

So far, nothing has been posted to indicate that she is in any way impersonating a nun (any member of consecrated religious life).

I have encountered quite a few people in my life who might appear at one time or another, or even consistently, to dress in a way that might "appear" to be clerical or consecrated religious. Most of the time, it's mere coincidence.

I have seen many, many women (often older, and often widows) of mediterranean descent who dress in such a way as to "look like a nun." That's nothing more than coincidence. I've also known quite a few men who dress in black clothing (w/o clerical collars). That doesn't mean they're impersonating priests. It just means that's how they dress.

Unless this woman is actually doing something to impersonate a nun, then there is nothing anyone should do about it.

This woman is entitled to her reputation and entitled to her dignity. Let's remember that, please. There is no reason to embarrass her by "reporting" her to the diocese based on nothing more than the way she chooses to dress.

Imagine this woman getting a phone call from someone at the diocese "investigating" her style of dress. Imagine how embarrassed she would be at having to explain herself to someone who calls and identifies himself as some official from the diocese. Imagine how embarrasses she is going to be by having to describe to someone at the chancery what and why she chooses to dress that way. And that's even assuming that anyone at the chancery is going to give this a second thought; which I highly doubt---not unless the complaint comes from the pastor or other cleric, or some actual member of consecrated life.

Imagine the "worst case scenario" that maybe this woman wears a veil because she's bald from age or from cancer treatment. How would she feel at having to explain herself to some diocesan official?

Is the pain and embarrassment that would be inflicted upon this woman really worth it?

The diocese offices are not the clothing police.

This woman was very clear when she said "I'm not a nun" that she isn't impersonating anyone. She hasn't done anything wrong; nothing that's been described here, at least.

That really should settle the matter. The words "I'm not a nun" are enough to make it clear that she is not trying to impersonate anyone.

She is also a regular attendee at Catholic services (that's been posted.) If anyone should be "contacting the diocese to report her" it should be her own pastor, or some pastor or someone else in authority.

Unless and until this woman actually does something that would cause her to be possibly "impersonating a nun" or anyone else, then quite frankly it's no one else's business to question her style of dress; much less to "report" her to any ecclesiastical official.

I regret earlier that I choose the example of "asking for donations" as a way of indicating that she's impersonating a nun. That was nothing more than the first (and most egregious) example that came to my mind. Looking back, it makes it sound as if the concern should be monetary. That was not my intention.

If she were to do anything that would actually rise to the level of "impersonating" then by all means, someone should contact the diocese. Thus far, nothing has been posted that even comes close.
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We have a lady in our parish who is a consecrated virgin who dresses like a (IMO) a nun. Then there's my friend who is a consecrated virgin who dresses "normal". I guess it's just a choice.
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We have a lady in our parish who is a consecrated virgin who dresses like a (IMO) a nun. Then there's my friend who is a consecrated virgin who dresses "normal". I guess it's just a choice.
By your username, I presume you're a fireman?

We all know that people should not be impersonating firemen. That's an official position in our society.

If someone were to walk around wearing clothing that had shoulder patches reading "City Fire Department" and a badge, then perhaps that person should be reported to the local fire chief, or even the local police (depending on circumstances). If he's driving around with red lights displayed on his vehicle, maybe someone should report him.

However, if someone merely walks around wearing black pants, a blue shirt and maybe a flashlight and multitool on a belt, that doesn't mean he's impersonating a fireman.

If he tries to enter a fire scene, that's different.

If he tries to interfere in a scene, that's different. If he goes around asking to inspect houses or inspect sprinkler systems, that's different.

But most of all, if he clearly says to anyone who asks "I'm not a fireman." Then no one should be reporting him to anyone for anything; especially if he hasn't actually done anything to impersonate anyone beyond the mere fact that he dresses in black pants and a blue shirt.
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I think what's most confusing to me here is that I meet very few nuns in the USA who actually go around in something resembling a nun's habit. I knew a handful who did when I was in high school; all of them were past age 65 (in some cases long past) and have almost certainly passed away by now. The younger nuns I met all wore regular street clothes, and only about a quarter to a third of those even bothered to add the small veil to the street outfit. Most of them identified themselves by wearing a particular pectoral cross which was not unusual and if I'm not mistaken, could also have been bought by lay people at a religious store. Someone in a full nun's habit would therefore stand out from both the lay populace and the real nuns.
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By your username, I presume you're a fireman?

We all know that people should not be impersonating firemen. That's an official position in our society.

If someone were to walk around wearing clothing that had shoulder patches reading "City Fire Department" and a badge, then perhaps that person should be reported to the local fire chief, or even the local police (depending on circumstances). If he's driving around with red lights displayed on his vehicle, maybe someone should report him.

However, if someone merely walks around wearing black pants, a blue shirt and maybe a flashlight and multitool on a belt, that doesn't mean he's impersonating a fireman.

If he tries to enter a fire scene, that's different.

If he tries to interfere in a scene, that's different. If he goes around asking to inspect houses or inspect sprinkler systems, that's different.

But most of all, if he clearly says to anyone who asks "I'm not a fireman." Then no one should be reporting him to anyone for anything; especially if he hasn't actually done anything to impersonate anyone beyond the mere fact that he dresses in black pants and a blue shirt.
I didn't pass judgement on the lady, padre, I just said what one woman wears and what that other doesn't.
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One a similar note---Our parish occasionally has a visiting Carmelite priest to fill in for our pastor. He walks to the coffee stand and to the grocery store in his brown hooded habit with sandals on his feet. People smile at him and some greet him as "Hello, Obe" or "Obe 1 Kanobe". He said for the longest time he had no idea of who "Obe" was.
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By your username, I presume you're a fireman?

We all know that people should not be impersonating firemen. That's an official position in our society.

If someone were to walk around wearing clothing that had shoulder patches reading "City Fire Department" and a badge, then perhaps that person should be reported to the local fire chief, or even the local police (depending on circumstances). If he's driving around with red lights displayed on his vehicle, maybe someone should report him.

However, if someone merely walks around wearing black pants, a blue shirt and maybe a flashlight and multitool on a belt, that doesn't mean he's impersonating a fireman.

If he tries to enter a fire scene, that's different.

If he tries to interfere in a scene, that's different. If he goes around asking to inspect houses or inspect sprinkler systems, that's different.

But most of all, if he clearly says to anyone who asks "I'm not a fireman." Then no one should be reporting him to anyone for anything; especially if he hasn't actually done anything to impersonate anyone beyond the mere fact that he dresses in black pants and a blue shirt.
See, Father, that's what I was thinking.

Now I don't know. . . I think we all want to do the right thing, but it's hard when there are two people who can have an authoritative judgment (as priests), you and Don Ruggero, but the two of you have different advice to give.

I won't say what it reminds me of, but I probably don't have to!
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One a similar note---Our parish occasionally has a visiting Carmelite priest to fill in for our pastor. He walks to the coffee stand and to the grocery store in his brown hooded habit with sandals on his feet. People smile at him and some greet him as "Hello, Obe" or "Obe 1 Kanobe". He said for the longest time he had no idea of who "Obe" was.
Lol. That's funny and cute.
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I didn't pass judgement on the lady, padre, I just said what one woman wears and what that other doesn't.
Disregard. I misread your post.
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See, Father, that's what I was thinking.

Now I don't know. . . I think we all want to do the right thing, but it's hard when there are two people who can have an authoritative judgment (as priests), you and Don Ruggero, but the two of you have different advice to give.

I won't say what it reminds me of, but I probably don't have to!
I suppose priests can disagree on matters such as this, which do not directly involve moral values and religious teachings. If you think you have it bad, rabbis even disagree on the latter!

The arguments from both of the Fathers sound quite reasonable to me.
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Lol. That's funny and cute.
Can i dress up as the Pope?
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Can i dress up as the Pope?
Sorry, friend, not biting.

Muting you is a better option.
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In related news: I heard on the radio today that the Sisters of Charity have obtained a legal copyright of their saris. Apparently people were copying them for "unscrupulous and unfair usage."

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...te-sari-48242/
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In related news: I heard on the radio today that the Sisters of Charity have obtained a legal copyright of their saris. Apparently people were copying them for "unscrupulous and unfair usage."

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...te-sari-48242/
Thank you.
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