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Old Jul 17, '17, 6:55 am
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How do you know that this to be true since the Quran was written about six hundred years after Christ as contrast to the Gospels which was written about the same time as Christ?
I think our man left the stage.
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I think our man left the stage.
That is why I posted random thoughts. The poster has not returned to make his/her
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I think Arabic is beautiful in writing. I don't speak or read Arabic, but it is very
pretty. There are other languages in the East that are beautiful the way they are
written.
Does anyone know if Arabic is read left to right like Hebrew?
Hi 7 Sorrows. I have taught at two schools which teach Arabic and they read from right to left.

Some young children have troubles if they then have to switch to reading English from left to right.
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Hi 7 Sorrows. I have taught at two schools which teach Arabic and they read from right to left.

Some young children have troubles if they then have to switch to reading English from left to right.
thank you abucs. I realize I made a mistake in my post because I meant to say right to left like Hebrew. I would think it would be hard to switch.

I wonder when reading and writing left to
right was developed.

language and alphabets and written language
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This is basically the exact same narrative as the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, a New Testament apocrypha work which most scholars believe was written in the early 3rd century. Islam basically is Gnosticism or more accurately, Manichaeism. Mani and Muhammad both claimed to be the paraclete spoken of in the New Testament, and both heavily used Gnostic beliefs . The only difference is Manichaeism seems to have been more influenced by Zoroastrianism and ancient Iranian beliefs with the concept of Dualism in their beliefs. Islam doesn't really believe in that concept at all. But if you study the lives of Mani and Muhammad, you begin to realize both were false prophets. Manichaeism was very popular in the 3rd-7th centuries, even being a rival to Christianity. Saint Augustine of Hippo was a famous convert from these beliefs and spoke out against them in his "Confessions". It died out mainly because of persecution in the west but held on much longer in the east. Ironically during the expansion of Islam, many prominent Imams actually embraced Manichaeism and became apostates to Islam. This is a fact although not many Muslims would acknowledge it today. But back to Islam, I respect it but the adherents were lied too. Muhammad didn't have any revelations, he simply grew up in an area that was known to be where heretics were exiled. Thus the Quran being almost parallel to Gnostic teachings doesn't seem to be a coincidence. Actually even the teaching in Islam that Christ didn't actually die on the cross was a teaching in certain Gnostic sects. It's almost like the Church stamped these heresies out, contended with Manichaeism, finally deposed that, and then the adversary through Muhammad and Islam at us.
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Greetings .
Today ,I'll be showing you an extract from the Quran dealing with the annunciation and the birth of Jesus the Messiah ( "المسيح عيسى ابن مريم" = "Almasih Isa ibn Maryam ) and how an Angel appeared to his Mother Mary .
This verses are from the "Chapter of Mary" ("سورة مريم" = suratu Maryam )

بســـــم الله الرحــــــمن الرحــــــيم
In the Name of God , the most Beneficent , the most Merciful

16 And mention Mary in the Book. When she drew aside from her family to an eastern place;
17 So she screened herself from them. Then We sent to her Our spirit and it appeared to her as a well made man.
18 She said: I flee for refuge from thee to the Beneficent, if thou art one guarding against evil.
19 He said: I am only bearer of a message of thy Lord: That I will give thee a pure boy.
20 She said: How can I have a son and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?
21 He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord says: It is easy to Me; and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.
22 Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place.
23 And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!
24 So a voice came to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely thy Lord has provided a stream beneath thee.
25 And shake towards thee the trunk of the palm-tree, it will drop on thee fresh ripe dates.
26 So eat and drink and cool the eye. Then if thou seest any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent, so I will not speak to any man to-day.
27 Then she came to her people with him, carrying him. They said: O Mary, thou hast indeed brought a strange thing!
28 O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother an unchaste woman!
29 But she pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who is a child in the cradle?
30 He said: I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet:
31 And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live.
32 And to be kind to my mother; and He has not made me insolent, unblessed.
33 And peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised to life.
Thanks for sharing the Qur'anic story of the birth of Jesus!

When I first read the Surih Maryam years ago I was deeply impressed by the very human experience of Mary in the verses above:

23 And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

Also the ridicule she suffered from her own people:

Then she came to her people with him, carrying him. They said: O Mary, thou hast indeed brought a strange thing!
28 O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother an unchaste woman!


I believe the Qur'an as a revelation is both accurate and trustworthy.
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The Qur'an is too much removed from the life of Jesus' mother to be accurate or to honour her in a just and fitting manner.

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I see Surah (19:23) " Would that I had died before this and was a thing forgotten, utterly forgotten!Ē

This is unacceptable and I'm getting even more disappointed as it seems to obfuscate the Birth of Christ to Mary.

How can this be? The actual fact was Mary accepted her role and to give birth even though being a Virgin.

She loved God so much that she accepted. Not like the way the Qur'an seems to make it sound that Mary was in a desolate situation after giving birth.

Really I must say this cannot be right and is unjustifiable.

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