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Old Apr 13, '05, 3:25 pm
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Default Cardinal Law, Saint or Sinner?

I solicit observations and opinions regarding the deference and honor shown to Cardinal Law after he left the United States because of his role in the sex abuse scandals. He was made Archpriest of St. Mary Major in Rome, and will take his place among the Cardinals in the selection of our next Pope. There were vocal demonstrations by victims of sex abuse in Rome when he celebrated one of the masses recently and some say he should have been defrocked and jailed. My own observation is that most Catholics exhibit a ho-hum attitude about him. I am a little conflicted. His actions seemed despicable to me, but John Paul II apparently wasn't that concerned.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 3:27 pm
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You don't want to open this thread. These almost universally degenerate into serious lapses of charity. . .attacking Law, then attacking the attackers.. . .
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Old Apr 13, '05, 7:52 pm
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You would have to ask Cardinal Sin, who won't be attending the conclave.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:03 pm
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You don't want to open this thread. These almost universally degenerate into serious lapses of charity. . .attacking Law, then attacking the attackers.. . .
Or attacking outsiders who just don't get it.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:09 pm
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I am a little conflicted. His actions seemed despicable to me, but John Paul II apparently wasn't that concerned.
He handled things wrong, but the Holy Father showed him forgiveness, and compassion, by dealing with it in the way he did. He also showed prudence, but giving him a job where he could be supervised closely (he did not molest anyone- he only covered up for those who did, so he is probably not any danger to kids himself.)

I doubt as many are critical of a certain concelebrant at the Novendiales Mass today......
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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:28 pm
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I am a sinner, and if their is no hope for Cardinal Law to be forgiven, then there is no hope for me to be forgiven. I hope to one day see him in the glory of the Heavenly city and in the joy of the Beatific Vision.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:34 pm
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For those who feel like the Holy Father did not do right with Cardinal Law.Let me ask you this? If you know what you have done or not done has caused so much outrage and hurt would you prefer to be 1)Living as a hermit 2)Keeping the position you had and being forced to deal with the anger and outrage on a daily basis What do you suppose Cardinal Law would rather do?Before you flame me think about what I said.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:39 pm
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Lisa,

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Old Apr 13, '05, 8:52 pm
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Nicely done
Thankyou PAX,I think you understand what I am trying to say.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 9:19 pm
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Lisa should be made moderator of the Cardinal Law threads.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 9:24 pm
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Lisa should be made moderator of the Cardinal Law threads.
Who me?I have had my moments in others
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Old Apr 13, '05, 9:42 pm
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Lisa: You and I always get along quite well, but I'm afraid I must humbly and respectfully disagree. Should Cardinal Law be forgiven?
Absolutely! Should he be in a visible role in the Church? I think not.
What can he do? Retire to a hidden place, such as a monastery or a convent chaplaincy. He would still be able to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the appex of priestly life. Did the Pope ask me what I thought? No. Do I trust the Holy Father? Yes. But as often as the question is asked, I'm going to respond that I think he should retire to a quiet place.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 9:54 pm
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We do get along well and it is okay to disagree.I feel this way and see a wisdom in this situation,I could be wrong,but I do see wisdom.I see the Holy Father even after his death teaching forgiveness and also penance for Cardinal Law.He tried to resign at one point the Holy father did not accept it,why?I see wisdom here.
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Old Apr 13, '05, 11:27 pm
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We do get along well and it is okay to disagree.I feel this way and see a wisdom in this situation,I could be wrong,but I do see wisdom.I see the Holy Father even after his death teaching forgiveness and also penance for Cardinal Law.He tried to resign at one point the Holy father did not accept it,why?I see wisdom here.
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Old Apr 14, '05, 12:19 pm
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Lisa: You and I always get along quite well, but I'm afraid I must humbly and respectfully disagree. Should Cardinal Law be forgiven?
Absolutely! Should he be in a visible role in the Church? I think not.
What can he do? Retire to a hidden place, such as a monastery or a convent chaplaincy. He would still be able to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the appex of priestly life. Did the Pope ask me what I thought? No. Do I trust the Holy Father? Yes. But as often as the question is asked, I'm going to respond that I think he should retire to a quiet place.
I think this sum's up my own position, as well. It has nothing to do, at this point, with forgiveness. It has to do with understanding that we expect more from our teachers and leaders. I think we do a dis-service to behave as if the sins never took place and permit him to remain in a position of authority and relative prestige. It could be argued that people such as him (the ones who covered up) are as guilty as the abusers, because they chose to take the easy road and look the other way. The consequence of failing to be a leader in a time such as this is that the Church has suffered injury, and we've given enemies of the church wonderful amunition. Forgiveness is one thing, but that doesn't mean we ignore the ramifications of his poor leadership on the Church community. Imagine it for a moment... How would you have felt if someone close to you had fallen victim to one of these predatory priests? This extends beyond a single lapse in judgement to me and straight to the core of man's heart of darkeness.
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