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Old May 24, '17, 10:58 am
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Default Re: What doesn't make sense to you?

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Maybe one leads to the other; chicken or egg first (meaning no disrespect with that analogy)
You may be right. I mean the fact that Catholicism has such a focus on personal confession and repentance to clear the ledger so to speak would definitely be a reasonable thought as to the source of why so many Catholics are then scrupulous.

Other Christians are not "weighed down" by such issues given the mechanism they believe through which God's forgiveness comes not requiring them to confess known mortal sins to a priest personally to have them forgiven.
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Old May 25, '17, 8:13 am
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You may be right. I mean the fact that Catholicism has such a focus on personal confession and repentance to clear the ledger so to speak would definitely be a reasonable thought as to the source of why so many Catholics are then scrupulous.

Other Christians are not "weighed down" by such issues given the mechanism they believe through which God's forgiveness comes not requiring them to confess known mortal sins to a priest personally to have them forgiven.
Thanks for your POST

Your first point may be valid, though I personally with about 30 years of experience of Catholic Faith teaching, do not find it to be ALL that common, given the number of Catholics is One BILLION plus.

Your second point though would seem to indicate a lack of a FULL understanding of Catholic practice and the Why OF SAME.

From a informed Catholic perspective Sacramental Confession is both historically and Biblically God's NORM, taught precisely and fully expected from everyone.

1 John 5: 16-17 teaches " If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

This ought to understood as being a warning to ALL souls, as it applies equally to all.

FROM FR HARDON'S CATHOLIC DICTIONARY

MORTAL SIN. An actual sin that destroys sanctifying grace and causes the supernatural death of the soul. Mortal sin is a turning away from God because of a seriously inordinate adherence to creatures that causes grave injury to a person's rational nature and to the social order, and deprives the sinner of a right to heaven.

The terms mortal, deadly, grave, and serious applied to sin are synonyms, each with a slightly different implication. Mortal and deadly focus on the effects in the sinner, namely deprivation of the state of friendship with God; grave and serious refer to the importance of the matter in which a person offends God. But the Church never distinguishes among these terms as though they represented different kinds of sins. There is only one recognized correlative to mortal sin, and that is venial sin, which offends against God but does not cause the loss of one's state of grace"

Even if this is denied this is God's reality & applicable to ALL souls.

It is Jesus Himself who instituted the Sacrament of KNOWN FORGIVENESS of ones sins

John.20 to 19-23 "On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained." {IF you doubt this READ Mt 10:1-2]

Was this a "Jesus invention"? NO it is not

What Jesus choose to do was follow OT Tradition and PERFECT it

Exodus 28:1
Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may minister to me in the priest' s office: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.

Leviticus 5:16
And he shall make good the damage itself which he hath done, and shall add the fifth part besides, delivering it to the priest, who shall pray for him, offering the ram, and it shall be forgiven him.

The DIFFERENCE being in the OT times [pre-grace] the priest forgave the sins and by "covering them over." which God AT THAT TIME found to be sufficient.

BUT now under grace with HIS Ordained Priesthood; GOD DEMANDS Sacramental Confession as HIS NORM.

So from our Catholic perspective based on history & the Bible; we find the non-Catholic innovations for sin forgiveness THEIR WAY to be of questionable merit..

Sacramental Confession remains the ONLY GOD approved way as His NORM for sin forgiveness. The ONLY other acceptable way as a EXCEPTION to the NORM is an act of literally PERFECT Contrition; and only God is able to judge whether one has met ALL of the requirements for God to extend His Mercy based on what Mortal men have invented and DEMAND that he GOD, accept, rather than humble obedience to His clear, precise Teachings.

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