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Old Jul 16, '17, 11:08 am
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From the Pew study: " Catholicismís retention rate of childhood members (68%) is far greater than the retention rate of the unaffiliated and is comparable with or better than the retention rates of other religious groups."

Source: http://www.pewforum.org/2009/04/27/faith-in-flux3/


So it would seem that the real problem is that people are leaving all religions. They are just leaving the Catholic church at the same rate or more slowly than everything else.

That fact leaves one with a very different issue than just saying that Catholics are leaving.

This is a retention rate problem, and the retention rate is 64% for Catholics. The same or lower for everyone else.

You would have to be very anti-Catholic to put a spin on that to make it sound anything more than normal.

So if we are just talking about retention rates in general then, this is interesting:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/genevei...tention-rates/
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Old Jul 21, '17, 2:57 pm
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I found this statement from an article, The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants, in the National Catholic Reporter:

"The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey by the Pew Research Centerís Forum on Religion & Public Life has put hard numbers on the anecdotal evidence: One out of every 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic. If they were a separate denomination, they would be the third-largest denomination in the United States, after Catholics and Baptists. One of three people who were raised Catholic no longer identifies as Catholic.

Any other institution that lost one-third of its members would want to know why. But the U.S. bishops have never devoted any time at their national meetings to discussing the exodus. Nor have they spent a dime trying to find out why it is happening."

Is this true?
People DO leave the Church. No question there.

Reasons being, (not in any particular order)
  • Their faith was poorly formed in the first place
  • Have no faith anymore in God
  • disregard consequences for leaving the Church, (mentioned in scripture and Tradition)
  • divorce and remarriage (without even seeing if an annulment was possible) jams up a large number of Catholic marriages so they leave knowing they can't receive the Eucharist while in mortal sin (one who divorces and marries another, commits adultery)
  • Habit of missing mass on Sunday progresses to not going anymore, therefore no longer living their faith, and remaining in mortal sin
  • don't like the pastor
  • object to Church teaching on various moral issues
  • etc etc
for purposes of keeping this real,

  • was Jesus a great teacher? Yes
  • Could He inspire a crowd? Yes
  • were people impressed with His miracles ? Yes
  • Could He hold their attention and keep them from leaving? not if they didn't like what He was teaching them.
Example:

many of His disciples left Jesus never to return. Really??? [John 6:67]

WHY did they leave?

  • They had no faith, and Jesus knew that about them before He even spoke to them
AND
  • They also didn't like what He was teaching them. So they left Him, which Jesus knew in advance, they would do.
  • and note. Jesus didn't go after them. He let them go. IMV one of the scariest passages in scripture

Bottomline,

People who do leave the Catholic Church, leave Jesus in the Eucharist, therefore they leave Jesus just as His disciples left Him in that warm up to the Eucharist

And the consequences if they didn't do what was taught?
  • John 6:26-70 a person will have no life in them, and Jesus won't bring them to heaven in the end.
  • #25. , That's why deliberately missing the Eucharist on Sunday carries such a huge consequences on one's soul
Given the figures you bring up

People who leave the Church need to see the coming consequences of their actions, on their souls, if they don't return.. We give them the information they need to know, and absolutely don't water it down. We then leave them in God's hands, and grace to see if they take the information serious enough to return.
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I found this statement from an article, The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants, in the National Catholic Reporter:

"The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey by the Pew Research Centerís Forum on Religion & Public Life has put hard numbers on the anecdotal evidence: One out of every 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic. If they were a separate denomination, they would be the third-largest denomination in the United States, after Catholics and Baptists. One of three people who were raised Catholic no longer identifies as Catholic.

Any other institution that lost one-third of its members would want to know why. But the U.S. bishops have never devoted any time at their national meetings to discussing the exodus. Nor have they spent a dime trying to find out why it is happening."

Is this true?
I don't know which part you're asking for verification--the statistics of ex-Catholics or whether the bishops haven't devoted any time to addressing this...

But as for the former, here's another source that seems to confirm that it's generally true:

http://content.time.com/time/nation/...716987,00.html
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I don't know which part you're asking for verification--the statistics of ex-Catholics or whether the bishops haven't devoted any time to addressing this...

But as for the former, here's another source that seems to confirm that it's generally true:

http://content.time.com/time/nation/...716987,00.html
Although I just realized that the source is still the same: Pew.
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