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Old Jan 11, '17, 8:22 pm
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Default Border wall to begin next week, says Trump

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/bord...ek-says-trump/

United States president-elect Donald Trump told a press conference this morning that construction of a wall on the Mexican border will begin as soon as he takes office next week.

And he repeated his stand that Mexico will pay for the wall.

Trump said in response to a question that Mexico ďin some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us . . . . That will happen, whether itís a tax or whether itís a payment ó probably less likely that itís a payment. But it will happen.Ē

He said the wall could wait a year and a half ďuntil we finish our negotiations with Mexico . . . but I donít want to wait.Ē

He added that he expected to ďmake a dealĒ with Mexico in less than a year and half but did not offer any details about that deal might entail.
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Old Jan 11, '17, 9:30 pm
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Default Re: Border wall to begin next week, says Trump

Trump says Mexico will reimburse us whether itís a tax or whether itís a payment and he admits it is probably less likely that itís a payment.

If he means a tax on goods made in Mexico and shipped back to the US, that only means the American people will still end up paying for his wall through higher prices.

Those goods will become more costly. And then there will be less competition for US manufacturers and they will lose their incentive to keep prices lower for domestically produced items.

And if there is greater demand for domestic products than supply, that will increase the prices for domestically produced goods as well.

And if higher demand also means US companies will encounter higher labor costs, the consumer will pay more through increased prices. The corporate world from which Mr Trump and his cronies come and CEOs will not sacrifice. They will merely pass on higher costs to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
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Old Jan 11, '17, 10:21 pm
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Well if I have to help pay for it it better be beautiful like he says it will !
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Old Jan 12, '17, 2:07 am
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Let's get to work!!!!! The liberals will cry with much hand wringing as the Wall is being built. Let them! BTW, I guess we will need to open all the cry rooms again and stock them with plenty of Play Dough!!!!!
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Old Jan 12, '17, 2:44 am
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Default Re: Border wall to begin next week, says Trump

We see here how Trump cleverly redefines his position so that we hardly notice the shift. During the campaign he boldly proclaimed we would "get Mexico to pay for it.". He knew we would fill in the details in a manner that was most pleasing to us. Now we see that Mexco paying for it will be somewhat more indefinite. I predict his position will morph future until you and I will be paying for it with our taxes, and all talk of Mexico paying will fade from memory.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 3:41 am
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Perhaps then President Trump will offer bus tours so people can visit the Wall construction site(s).
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Old Jan 12, '17, 4:52 am
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Perhaps then President Trump will offer bus tours so people can visit the Wall construction site(s).
Perhaps bus tours on the other side of the wall could help pay for its construction.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 5:40 am
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Let's get to work!!!!! The liberals will cry with much hand wringing as the Wall is being built. Let them! BTW, I guess we will need to open all the cry rooms again and stock them with plenty of Play Dough!!!!!
Why do you think liberals will be crying about this? Is it for ourselves or others?
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Trump says Mexico will reimburse us whether itís a tax or whether itís a payment and he admits it is probably less likely that itís a payment.

If he means a tax on goods made in Mexico and shipped back to the US, that only means the American people will still end up paying for his wall through higher prices.

Those goods will become more costly. And then there will be less competition for US manufacturers and they will lose their incentive to keep prices lower for domestically produced items.

And if there is greater demand for domestic products than supply, that will increase the prices for domestically produced goods as well.

And if higher demand also means US companies will encounter higher labor costs, the consumer will pay more through increased prices. The corporate world from which Mr Trump and his cronies come and CEOs will not sacrifice. They will merely pass on higher costs to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
You are right that taxes get passed on. The same is true for the cost of regulations. I do find it interesting that certain liberals have suddenly discovered basic economics when it comes to the wall.

It may well be that the American people do end up paying for the wall. I for one don't mind. I pay a ridiculous amount of taxes and get basically nothing for them. I'd be happy to pay a bit more (taxes or higher prices) if we can stop costly immigration, one cause for my higher taxes, and save our culture.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 6:08 am
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You are right that taxes get passed on. The same is true for the cost of regulations. I do find it interesting that certain liberals have suddenly discovered basic economics when it comes to the wall.

It may well be that the American people do end up paying for the wall. I for one don't mind. I pay a ridiculous amount of taxes and get basically nothing for them. I'd be happy to pay a bit more (taxes or higher prices) if we can stop costly immigration, one cause for my higher taxes, and save our culture.
Who are you saving your culture from? Cultures change, ours will change even if we stop all illegal immigration since there are many Hispanics already here and they are already influencing and changing our culture. So how exactly do you save a culture? Nationalism only leads to wars, not peace.
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Trump says Mexico will reimburse us whether itís a tax or whether itís a payment and he admits it is probably less likely that itís a payment.

If he means a tax on goods made in Mexico and shipped back to the US, that only means the American people will still end up paying for his wall through higher prices.

Those goods will become more costly. And then there will be less competition for US manufacturers and they will lose their incentive to keep prices lower for domestically produced items.

And if there is greater demand for domestic products than supply, that will increase the prices for domestically produced goods as well.

And if higher demand also means US companies will encounter higher labor costs, the consumer will pay more through increased prices. The corporate world from which Mr Trump and his cronies come and CEOs will not sacrifice. They will merely pass on higher costs to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
This argument would also apply to sales taxes of any kind as well as import limitations of every kind.

Time to contact your city council and state legislators to end all sales taxes and discontinue all services.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 6:17 am
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Who are you saving your culture from? Cultures change, ours will change even if we stop all illegal immigration since there are many Hispanics already here and they are already influencing and changing our culture. So how exactly do you save a culture? Nationalism only leads to wars, not peace.
I had thought that immigration South of the border improved our culture, making it more Catholic.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 6:23 am
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Who are you saving your culture from? Cultures change, ours will change even if we stop all illegal immigration since there are many Hispanics already here and they are already influencing and changing our culture. So how exactly do you save a culture? Nationalism only leads to wars, not peace.
I think Hispanic immigration has, for a long time, had an influence on the American culture. Where in the U.S. is the Haggis Bell chain or the Steak and Kidney Pie Bell chain, for example?

But there are aspects of Hispanic and other cultures I think we should eschew. The English Common Law system, for example, is really a different thing from the Continental systems others have inherited and incorporated into their ways of thinking, and it can be argued that the undeniably comparative peace and prosperity of the Anglosphere is largely due to it.

There is nothing inherently warlike in nationalism, and nothing inherently peaceable in internationalist systems. Where is the good brought about by the polyglot Soviet empire, for example? Are Poles now more warlike as citizens of a free nation than they were when their young men were drafted into Warsaw Pact units ready for the command to charge into the Fulda Gap?

There can be good things in nationalism, like Subsidiarity, for example. If one thinks about it even for a moment, one has to admit that one's ability to get the ear of a local or even state official in the U.S. is vastly greater than getting the attention of some federal bureaucrat in Washington. So, is a Hungarian better off if he personally knows a member of his own parliament than if he tries to petition Brussels? I think the answer to that is obvious.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 6:25 am
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I had thought that immigration South of the border improved our culture, making it more Catholic.
one could argue that the reverse is true. Many Hispanics here converted to Evangelical churches and were trained and sent back to their homelands to convert the people there to Protestantism. And it has been a successful enterprise on their part.
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Old Jan 12, '17, 6:27 am
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I think whether Mexico pays for it or we pay for it is irrelevant, because the wall will be nothing more than a giant waste of money for Trump to hang his hat on. A wall, especially one that's only going to span a fraction of the length of the border, isn't going to curtail any illegal immigration. Most of them entered legally and then never left.
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