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Old Jun 19, '17, 11:24 am
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That has nothing to do with what I posted.
I was responding to your statement

"the Spirit proceeds *eternally* from the Father alone, or the from the Father *through* the Son, but *not* from the Father and the Son "equally" and in one "action" as defined in the post-schism western councils."
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Old Jun 19, '17, 12:19 pm
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In extension, to post #31 ,

from the CCC

Re: Proceeds & filioque

245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father." By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as "the source and origin of the whole divinity". But the eternal origin of the Spirit is not unconnected with the Son's origin: "The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature. . . Yet he is not called the Spirit of the Father alone,. . . but the Spirit of both the Father and the Son." The Creed of the Church from the Council of Constantinople confesses: "With the Father and the Son, he is worshipped and glorified."


246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256
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I was responding to your statement

"the Spirit proceeds *eternally* from the Father alone, or the from the Father *through* the Son, but *not* from the Father and the Son "equally" and in one "action" as defined in the post-schism western councils."
But what you posted concerned an entirely different issue, whether it was licit to add to the creed without a council.
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It is NOT a simple answer. Eastern Catholicism is made up of many rites, and NOT all have an Orthodox church matching it. For example I worship in the Maronite rite (an Eastern Rite Catholic Church) and has never had a rite in the Eastern Orthodox tradition. The Maronite have ALWAYS been a part of the Roman Catholic Church.
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The issue is further complicated by the fact that not all "Eastern" theology is Byzantine theology - a reality that most people tend to miss.
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But what you posted concerned an entirely different issue, whether it was licit to add to the creed without a council.
By council I presume you mean an ecumenical council. It was done in an ecumenical council. Florence

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JPII explains Greek vs Latin expression of "proceeds" http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PCCUFILQ.HTM

If I can summarize it like this,

Dual procession ≠ dual source

The filioque in Catholic Church teaching, does not change the Monarchy of the Father.
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Radio Replies Vol I: A306 & 307

http://www.radioreplies.info/site-se...=Orthodox&db=1

http://www.radioreplies.info/site-se...ek+Church&db=1
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I don't think you could have posted a less authorititive source on Orthodoxy.
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My understanding of the Filique as a Latin Rite Catholic is that the Father is the origin of the Holy Spirit not the Son. But that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son because there are three distinct persons in the Trinity yet one God and neither of the three persons in the Trinity can go against the other because they are one with the Father. The Holy Spirit does not originate from the Son but only of the Father yet all operate as one with the Father. If the Holy Spirit is not in the Son and does not proceed from both the Father and the Son that is saying that the Son is not the Son of God which then in effect there is no Trinity. The Son has His origin in the Father just as the Holy Spirit has its origin in the Father.
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I don't think you could have posted a less authorititive source on Orthodoxy.
And that makes the case. What can the opinions of a whole Church amount to, when the advice of 2 priests and a Bishop(Sheen) is ignored.
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And that makes the case. What can the opinions of a whole Church amount to, when the advice of 2 priests and a Bishop(Sheen) is ignored.
So rather than asking Orthodox people and sources about Orthodoxy and asking Catholic people and sources about Catholicism, you'd rather conduct your comparison between the two by only asking Catholics? That doesn't seem very wise to me.
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And that makes the case. What can the opinions of a whole Church amount to, when the advice of 2 priests and a Bishop(Sheen) is ignored.
Did you read the link?? The answers are very 1830s in their outlook. Calling the "Greek Churches" "heretical and schismatic", not at all the Catholic teaching
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I was thinking more along the lines of Westboro Baptists
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And that makes the case. What can the opinions of a whole Church amount to, when the advice of 2 priests and a Bishop(Sheen) is ignored.
That might qualify them to speak with authority about Catholicism, but it hardly makes them an authority on Orthodoxy.
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