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Old Feb 26, '17, 5:56 pm
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Well put. If it were only John 6, it would be a weak case from a sola scriptura point of view. However the fact that communion is NEVER mentioned plainly as being a mere picture until the reformation is quite significant--especially since st Justin Martyr mentions it in opposition to an accusation cannibalism. If ever there were a time to say, "wait guys it's just a picture!"

I have said before on this forum that the real presence is a quintessential proof test of the catholic claim of preserved sacred tradition. The reason I responded the way I did is because I have grown somewhat weary of comments made in oversimplification. If a person says, I can't imagine in light of reference Xyz Protestants don't agree with us, I take exception. The kind of explanation you gave is much more helpful.
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I really, really like this statement. There are far to many folks that will cherry pick a verse or two and ignore or "invalidate" ten other verses just to propagate their agenda.
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It's a popular hermeneutical principle in the evangelical world too. Generally though it gets applied by ballot where each verse vets gets a vote. If a verse seems to be a minority, it must mean something different than what it means superficially. (This is a rhetorical cartoon that approximates a fact)
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Well put. If it were only John 6, it would be a weak case from a sola scriptura point of view. However the fact that communion is NEVER mentioned plainly as being a mere picture until the reformation is quite significant--especially since st Justin Martyr mentions it in opposition to an accusation cannibalism. If ever there were a time to say, "wait guys it's just a picture!"

I have said before on this forum that the real presence is a quintessential proof test of the catholic claim of preserved sacred tradition. The reason I responded the way I did is because I have grown somewhat weary of comments made in oversimplification. If a person says, I can't imagine in light of reference Xyz Protestants don't agree with us, I take exception. The kind of explanation you gave is much more helpful.
Well, there was the little set to around Ratramnus and then there was Berengarius, but that all got sorted out.
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