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Old Mar 13, '06, 5:59 pm
Sean O L Sean O L is offline
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At the formal reconciliation between Feeney and the Diocese, which took place on a sidewalk, not in any church or chapel, because Feeney was adamant that it not appear he was being juridically rehabilitated or anything, Feeney neither apologized for, nor recanted, anything.


Nor was he asked to do so.


All that happened was that Feeney and the Bp's representative said a prayer together and then Feeney recited a profession of his faith.


He deliberately chose for that profession the Athanasian Creed, because it - alone of all the official Creeds - includes the provision saying "the Apostolic Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation"


The position of Thomas Stark on our List, at least as far as it comes across to the List, is not Feeneyism. Whatever it is, it's not Feeneyism.


Thomas seems to be saying that even within the Catholic Church there is no salvation for those not meeting Thomas's standards. In particular, last minute joiners are neither wanted nor welcome. And supposedly God isn't interested in getting any deathbed conversions.


That's simply not Feeney's position. He fully accepted the Catholic doctrine that since the Atonement God will somehow provide everyone with whatever graces are needed to be saved. For Feeney the only issue was insisting that all such providing had to include sacramental baptism. Somehow, somewhere.


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Old Mar 13, '06, 6:04 pm
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One of my very good friends who is now a canon lawyer wrote:

Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:00:31 -0800 (PST)


Dear Bill and John,


Just to give you guys the background, Fr. Feeney made more than a few mistakes -- I`m not among the hardcores who think he was perfect, but among the group who think he was a gifted thinker, but all too human. In the end, he and the majority of his followers were reconciled with the Church.


Yeah, we still take a strict view of the dogma "Outside the Church no Salvation." (EENS) With regards to Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood (BOB/BOD), this is not generally well known outside Feeneyite circles, but there was never uniform denial of its existance. Ray Karam, later Fr. Cyril, was mostly concerned about its wide interpretation and abuses. Fr. Feeney denied BOB/BOD, but always stated that this was merely his personal opinion. Rather, his main effort was the dogma EENS.


My debt of gratitude goes back to the Feeneyites, particularly Mother Teresa of St Anne`s House in Still River (reconciled in 1988), Mother Mary Clare Vincent of St. Scholastica Priory in Petersham, MA (reconciled circa 1973), Br. Charles Coulombe in Monrovia, CA (never came under censure, but his superior Br. Leonard Mary was reconciled with Fr. Feeney), and Br. Thomas Augustine of St. Benedict Center in Still River (sacramentaly reconciled, and soon to be canonically reconciled). It is my sincere hope that Br. Francis` community in New Hampshire will seek regularization soon as well, but this is still at a difficult stage because there is a lot of sympathy in NH for Lefebvrism.


It was in fact Fr. Lafitte`s (SSPX)infamous claim that Pope Paul VI acted invalidly in removing the excommunication of Fr. Feeney, that both sparked my interest in canon law, but more importantly, alerted me to the anti-Catholic nature of the SSPX. What struck me was not so much Feeney`s strict interpretation of EENS, but that the SSPX would deny Vatican I`s Dogmatic Constitution on Church, which dogmatically defined the pope had universal ordinary jurisdiction. ..
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Old Mar 13, '06, 11:22 pm
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Those wanting some further insight into the history and some observations of the interactions between Archbishop Cushing and Father Feeney, both of blessed memory, might want to read Chapter 3 of Transcending Boundaries: Bostonís Catholics and Jews, 1929-1965, a rather well-written thesis completed a few years ago by a young woman named Jenny Goldstein, an undergrad at Brandeis University.

Actually, I highly recommend that anyone interested in Boston history or the history of Catholic-Jewish relations read the entire paper. From the perspective of a very critical reviewer (me), it is extraordinarily well-documented and well-written for an undergrad piece - rivaling many graduate-level papers and its occasional bias is more than offset by the wealth of info and insights that it offers.

Fans of Father Feeney are fore-warned, the presentation isn't complimentary to him, although Ms. Goldstein acknowledges that what is often labeled as anti-Semitism on his part should be better acknowledged as anti-Judaism. Those who knew or know of Archbishop Cushing will re-discover fond memories of a man who thought little of flaunting convention and treading waters previously untested and who was, without question, as beloved by the Jewish as the Catholic community.

Many years,

Neil
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Old Mar 14, '06, 12:31 pm
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How can the modern Saint Benedict Center(in Still River MA) admire Father Feeney, if he DENIED Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood? There were martyrs who died before Baptism, but they most definitely desired it! How sad that Father Feeney believed that BOD/BOB would not gain salvation!

I believe that Father Feeney also hated the Baltimore Catechism, because it explicitly teaches Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.
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Old Mar 14, '06, 12:50 pm
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How can the modern Saint Benedict Center(in Still River MA) admire Father Feeney, if he DENIED Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood? There were martyrs who died before Baptism, but they most definitely desired it! How sad that Father Feeney believed that BOD/BOB would not gain salvation!

I believe that Father Feeney also hated the Baltimore Catechism, because it explicitly teaches Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.
I dont know where you are located, But it seems that A trip to Still River Ma. should be somewhere in your future. My priest friend, who visited with them (Slaves of Mary) at the March for life. found the experience quite edifyiing. they all, priests Brothers and Nuns, wear the Traditional habit and celebrate exclusively the TLM.

They answer questions freely, and are very proud of being reconciled, (Or whatever you want to call it) And me and my friend learned something from them. That they are in communion with Rome. I never knew this. I only heard horror stories about "Feenyites" and that they were some kind of ultra trad cult. So perhaps you should go check them out. i think you will be pleasantly suprised. While youre there pick up one of their beautiful TLM calenders. I have one I am enjoying right now!
God Bless
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Old Mar 18, '06, 9:10 am
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Would somebody be able to say definitely whether or not Saint Benedict Center in Still River accepts Baptism of Desire/Baptism of Blood?

And do they believe that ALL non-Catholics will most definitely go to hell?

Thank you!
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