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Old Jan 15, '06, 6:47 am
sevenloaves sevenloaves is offline
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Default Questions on Catholic "Social Justice" Theory

I attended a meeting of the newly formed Social Justice Committee at my local parish and was horrified to see the curriculum that was being considered.

In the first place it was only being represented as being Christian not Catholic. Nothing seemed to have originated from the Vatican, or have been deemed to be official Church teaching etc.

Too much to go into a brief intro, but would like to explore how such things are being handled in your parishes.
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Old Jan 15, '06, 11:38 am
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Hey let's kick this thread.

This is an important subject and the more I delve into it, the more concerned I get with regard to how Catholic social teaching is being represented.
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Old Jan 15, '06, 11:45 am
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I attended a meeting of the newly formed Social Justice Committee at my local parish and was horrified to see the curriculum that was being considered.

In the first place it was only being represented as being Christian not Catholic. Nothing seemed to have originated from the Vatican, or have been deemed to be official Church teaching etc.

Too much to go into a brief intro, but would like to explore how such things are being handled in your parishes.

Pax Christi re-designed...perhaps?
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Old Jan 15, '06, 12:55 pm
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Absolutely turned on its head...

One of the texts is "Toward A Spirituality For Global Justice" by Elaine Prevalet.

Prevalet is a member of this odd little order called the Sisters of Loretto, here is a quote from their website:

"As I chafed under the injustice of a move on the part of the Vatican to chastise members of religious communities who had signed a statement calling for discussion on the subject of abortion, I determined to tell that story as I saw it. It is a testimony, in my view, to the sexism that infects procedures of the official Catholic Church and to the struggle which congregations of Roman Catholic Sisters are waging for autonomy."

Source - http://www.lorettocommunity.org/publ....feb.%2004.pdf

The feeling that I get in looking over the type of material being represented as Catholic social teaching is that the authors seem to think that Jesus was some kind of revolutionary socialist more intent on upsetting the social order than saving people's souls and teaching them the right way to live.
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Old Jan 15, '06, 10:09 pm
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Here are some wonderful resources on Catholic Social Justice Theory:

Catholic Educators Resource - numerous articles.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/dir...ocial_Justice/

Your Catholic Voice - Resources page:
http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/resources.php

Read especially "Revisiting Faithful Citizenship."

The Wanderer, "What Do We Mean By Catholic Social Teaching" in which the author distinguishes "two senses":

"We must therefore distinguish two senses of Catholic social teaching — a restricted one that applies to the peace in society that arises from just and friendly collaboration between different social classes; and the more general sense of Catholic social teaching, which applies the whole of Catholic moral teaching to social and political life.

"The restricted sense of “social teaching” that has arisen in modern times cannot be mistaken for the greater whole, that is, the fullness of the moral law that has been articulated over the Church’s 2,000-year tradition. Ultimately, even the Catholic teaching on rich and poor is incomplete when emancipated from the larger context of tradition from which it arose."
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http://thewandererpress.com/articles&edit1.htm link to recent articles

www.catholic.org Search >> Deacon Fournier's "Neither Left Nor Right: the Compendium of the Social Doctrine."

www.findarticles.com Search >> "And the greatest of these is social justice." Charlotte Hays. 1987. The National Review. A biting criticism and the history of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development's funding leftist groups.

I never donate to CCHD because of their obvious association with pro-abortion, radical feminists, and so forth. For proof, I search their financials.
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You have just entered the No Spin Zone. I'm an orthodox Catholic and activist, I run a private internet activism network raising awareness and taking action on family issues: same-sex "marriage", parental notification, pro-life, sexuality education in government schools, etc.

All of the topics I listed above are the complete opposite of peace and justice ( P&J ) agendas. For example, last year I coordinated a petition drive for a Defense of Marriage ballot measure in Catholic churches. Most of the parishioners at the parish I attended at the time was/is progressive, pro-homosexual "marriage." They invited Muslims to speak about stop hate speech by talk show host Michael Savage. Instead of teaching the Catechism, this P&J group made arrangements for Muslims to teach about THEIR faith and hosted an annual Ramadan dinner.

The one I was in for a year was hostile to the Pope. I posted a quote by PJPII on their bulletin board and an angry P&J person tore it off. They were more concerned about the feelings of "oppression" by homosexual radicals and Muslims than was called for.

They are promoting their definitions of justice -- yet, they ignore the injustice of aborted babies. They ignore and are indifferent, even hostile, toward Catholics who are pro-life activists. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Stay in the group and take notes. Learn all you can. Attend every meeting. They will block any project that is pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, traditional family...

It's important to pay close attention to the influence the P&J group has on the direction your entire parish is taking. From most of what I've read, P&J groups are very Left-wing, some members are socialists, pro-worker movement folks.

Stay away from A Call To Action, a Catholic dissident organization.
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Old Jan 15, '06, 10:29 pm
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I attended a meeting of the newly formed Social Justice Committee at my local parish and was horrified to see the curriculum that was being considered.

In the first place it was only being represented as being Christian not Catholic. Nothing seemed to have originated from the Vatican, or have been deemed to be official Church teaching etc.

Too much to go into a brief intro, but would like to explore how such things are being handled in your parishes.
Because you didn't go into detail I have no idea what happened in your parishes Social Justice Committee meeting, obviously it has disturbed you....so you know what you need to do next....at the next meeting make sure you voice your concerns.....just spit it out....I have been involved in parish ministry for 30 years and have served on every imaginable committiee, board, council...etc. I have never been on one where the truth didn'[t prevail if those involved insisted on it!
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Old Jan 16, '06, 8:44 am
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Because you didn't go into detail I have no idea what happened in your parishes Social Justice Committee meeting, obviously it has disturbed you....so you know what you need to do next....at the next meeting make sure you voice your concerns.....just spit it out....I have been involved in parish ministry for 30 years and have served on every imaginable committiee, board, council...etc. I have never been on one where the truth didn'[t prevail if those involved insisted on it!
Excellent advice. People who insist that the Churches official stance on issues is wrong usually misunderstand the Curches position or have a hidden agenda. It doesn't take a theologian to debate the issues. The truth can defend itself.
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Old Jan 16, '06, 8:57 am
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Excellent advice. People who insist that the Churches official stance on issues is wrong usually misunderstand the Curches position or have a hidden agenda. It doesn't take a theologian to debate the issues. The truth can defend itself.

I see Pax Christi has evolved into or maybe it always was a dissinting group associating itself with political left causes...

whats your opinion?
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Old Jan 16, '06, 10:09 am
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I see Pax Christi has evolved into or maybe it always was a dissinting group associating itself with political left causes...

whats your opinion?
I've never heard of Pax Christi. Do you have some info? Is this organization still around?
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Old Jan 16, '06, 12:06 pm
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I've never heard of Pax Christi. Do you have some info? Is this organization still around?
Pax Christi
(cited in Renew 2000) This group may be the most widely recognized leftist organization to American Catholics. Long a proponent of nonviolence, Pax Christi promotes "action to transform structures of society." Aligned with liberation theology, "ecological justice," and the usual litany of modernist demands. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal

http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/
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Old Jan 16, '06, 12:16 pm
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Pax Christi USA
http://www.paxchristiusa.org

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Fidelity: DANGER! || Resources: Poor || Useability: Excellent
First Evaluated: 09/28/00 Last Updated: 06/16/05


DESCRIPTION
According to their mission statement Pax Christi USA "rejects war, preparations for war, and every form of violence and domination. It advocates primacy of conscience, economic and social justice, and respect for creation. . . . Pax Christi USA works toward a more peaceful, just, and sustainable world." Unfortunately, their version of violence and domination is often at odds with the Church and her teachings. They seem to care more about finding common ground with abortionists and the gay rights lobby than about working for true peace.

STRENGTHS
None Reported.

WEAKNESSES
· Mission statement includes language to give serious Catholics pause. (Fidelity)
Example(s)
· Several articles encourage Pax Christi members to lobby to overturn the ban on the homosexual ministry of dissident New Ways Ministry founders, Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent. (Fidelity)
Example(s)
· Among the dozens of articles opposing war and capital punishment there is only one on Pax Christi's abortion stand, supporting the "seamless garment" approach. (Fidelity)
Example(s)
· Many unorthodox Catholic, Protestant, and secular links (Fidelity)



http://www.catholicculture.org/
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Old Jan 16, '06, 1:16 pm
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http://www.paxchristiusa.org



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· Mission statement includes language to give serious Catholics pause. (Fidelity)
Example(s)
· Several articles encourage Pax Christi members to lobby to overturn the ban on the homosexual ministry of dissident New Ways Ministry founders, Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent. (Fidelity)
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It appears they have rejected the Church's teachings on Homosexualtiy-that alone is enough to disqualify them from being part of any Parish's program.
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Excellent advice. People who insist that the Churches official stance on issues is wrong usually misunderstand the Curches position or have a hidden agenda. It doesn't take a theologian to debate the issues. The truth can defend itself.
The problem is where those vested with authority(Pastors, for instance) proclaim something s the truth that is not. Many issues are not debateable. Abortion, the sinfullness of homosexual behavior and female ordination are three that come to mind. Unfortunately you often see people pushing for these under the guise of "social justice". If you run across a program that embraces any of these you can be assured they are not a legitimate Catholic group.
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Old Jan 16, '06, 3:48 pm
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Dolores those are indeed wonderful resources, thank you very much.
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Old Jan 16, '06, 4:00 pm
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I didn't go into detail about the meeting because it would take too long.

Suffice it to say that it seems that the "Jesus was a socialist revolutionary" sentiment motivates much of what is being represented locally here in California as social justice theory.

I disagree with the statment that the truth needs no defense, if good people refuse to stand up truth can be overwhelmed.

The reason I chose to get involved with this ministry is exactly because of the way this aspect of Catholicism is being taught. It was really a revelation that the majority of texts being offered in a very well organized program that was being presented for consideration weren't even Catholic, but nominally could be called Christian.

In the first few pages of one of these texts there were references made to Greenpeace, Amnesty International, the UN, Doctors without borders etc., as being examples of relevant social justice organizations. Since I work with members of this committee in other Parish ministries I was careful not to do more than suggest that it might be important for us as Catholics to actually use Catholics sources in our program.

After the meeting was over the Deacon [who was present at the meeting] and I discussed the situation and that is what led among other things to this thread so I could explore this in a little more detail.

Thanks again for all the input, it is mightily appreciated.

If any of you want to communicate directly its

[email protected]

thanks!
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