[quote="fred_conty, post:6, topic:273992"]
If the passages before this and after this are read, we can see that they are being warned away from those who are teaching error. I don't believe I saw in that passage any particular person or group named as such. It isn't in the Bible. So if it isn't in the Bible, then he should agree that it can't be used.
As your father used this verse out of context, it could be applied to his pastor, or any other religious organization.
Just a thought.
Fred makes more than just a passing thought here. This is imporant.
Just prior to the verse in question, John writes the following;
**Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made us: eternal life. I write you these things about those who would deceive you. *(1 John 2:24-26)*
The entire purpose of 1 John is avoiding specific doctrinal errors which were present in the early Church.
**Children, let no one deceive you*. (1 John 3:7)
For this is the message you have heard from the beginning: (1 John 3:11)
We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit. (1 John 4:6)*
If the Holy Spirit teaches each of us individually, why did John say things like this?